[Talk] [Fwd: [ECTALSR] 9/11 Flag Flying]

[Nick Simicich]

On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 23:38, liz@argate.net wrote:
> > To show our love of our Country and the freedom it provides.
> 
> Why in honor of the anniversary of a sad and upsetting event? What's the 
> goal sought to be achieved by whipping up patriotic "love of country" and 
> tying that in with a memory that is both saddening and angering -- to what 
> end? This wouldn't be a celebratory or happy rah rah sort of thing, would 
> it be.
> 
> What's the goal is a question that's worth asking before one just goes 
> along with stuff.
> 
> When the masses get whipped up in directionless emotions that are tied in 
> with anger, they can be dangerous -- to themselves and others.  They not 
> infrequently put down their thinking caps, so to speak, and go along in 
> the direction of someone else's agenda, usually the someone who stirred 
> them up with the sloganism and symbolism -- like declarations of war, 
> willingness to let politicians get away with misguided laws, following a 
> leader, and so forth.

What is wrong with the above, if, say, the leader is right? I know that
we are going to disagree on the Iraq war and Bush - and, I assert that
the left had convicted Bush in 2000, before 911 - it was an interesting
exercise to see how quickly they could come back to blaming him after
the attack.  But the point is that the US has declared war (or as close
as we come to it these days) against terrorism, and that Iraq was a
terrorist state and we were right for going in. (Please don't be so
intellectually dishonest as to parrot the Dem line which is usually
parroted here - that they had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, as if
al-Qaeda was the only extremist Muslim terrorist organization in the
world.  There was clear evidence that Iraq was a terrorist state - as a
point, they paid families of suicide bombers. Terrorist states existed
long before al-Qaeda - note how fast Libya changed their tune after we
showed the "stomach" to attack Iraq rather than simply allowing them to
talk and play brinkmanship.

> Not the same as just a hootin' hollerin' good time.  Not the same as a 
> campaign with a stated purpose (like a celebration for Earth Day, or 
> wearing a ribbon to encourage donation to some kind of medical research.)

The problem with this might come to one of viewpoint.  For example, I
believe that the so-called greens might have had good motives at one
time - but they have long since been coopted by people who are simply
preaching ludditism - who are willing to embrace unsound science to whip
people up into a frenzy so that they can get their own way....in other
words, they have turned into scum of the first order who are not worthy
of our support, probably very similar to what you think of Bush.

The point is that different people disagree on points - for example, I
believe that it is important to celebrate our patriotism on 9/11 -
specifically because we have to remember that we have enemies who hate
us simply because they do not like what we stand for and we need to
stand together as a nation, despite those who would kill us and destrou
us. In today's world, it is as important that we remember this as we
remember the start of the country and all the ignoble events that
surrounded that (although the result is good).

As a nation we should remember them, and we should aggressively defend
ourselves.

I don't think that there is a chance that they (fundie Muslims) will
love us.  If you think that there is anything we could have done that
would have allowed the "Muslim street" to love us, with the exception
of, say, adopting Sharia and suspending the constitution, I'd like to
hear it. Drop support for Israel?  That would last only until the scum
overcame Israel.  Read their writings (now largely removed from the
net).  The riots in France are NOT an accident, they are prescribed by
religious writings as Muslims hit a certain percentage of the
population. 

> So I'd like to know to what end, what point.

Being a patriot is its own point.  Do you believe that this event, and
the scum that did this and the scum that support them should be
forgotten? Do you think that some point will be served by shoving our
heads into the sand and forgetting the facts surrounding 9/11?  I don't.
We did that after the first world trade center attack. Do you think that
if we were not in Iraq that terrorists would not be scheming attacks on
airplanes?  I think it would not matter what we were doing - they would
make up an excuse and attack us.  Our excuse, frankly, was better.

> liz

> > liz@argate.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Chadwick E. Labno wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Fly the Flag and pass it on............
> >> 
> >> Hi Chad,
> >> 
> >> What's the goal sought to be achieved with this demonstration?
> >> 
> >> liz

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