From adam@usdtv.com Fri Sep 9 00:59:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394A337D66 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:59:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 27680 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Received: from dsl092-213-153.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO usdtv.com) (billtcat@[66.92.213.153]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Sep 2005 00:59:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4320DE76.3070901@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] Test- Do not reply Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 9 12:23:00 2005 X-Original-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:59:34 -0400 Testing to make sure the list works. -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com --------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- - From adam@usdtv.com Fri Sep 9 01:29:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FFA37D66 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:29:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 3424 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 01:29:18 -0000 Received: from dsl092-213-153.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO usdtv.com) (billtcat@[66.92.213.153]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Sep 2005 01:29:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4320E56C.2060204@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] Welcome! Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 9 12:23:01 2005 X-Original-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:29:16 -0400 Hi all, As anyone who subscribed to this list probably knows, Rep. Ari Porth (D -- Coral Springs) spoke at the September 2005 FLUX meeting about the Slam Spam bill he plans to introduce into the Florida House of Representatives in early 2006. FLUX and other local IT organizations are in a unique position of being able to assist Rep. Porth and his staff in shaping the language of this bill. We can provide technical education and expertise, participate in the lawmaking process, and hopefully make a positive contribution. Rep. Porth's homepage is here... http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4352&SessionId=42 The basics of the Slam Spam bill, HB45 for the 2006 session are here... http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=17841 ...Click the link under Bill Text for a PDF. Florida law already provides civil penalties for spamming. This bill adds teeth in the form of a prison sentence. Our task is to find ways that the bill's language can be improved so that the right people are targeted, so that companies mass-mailing for legitimate reasons are not targeted, and so that the legislation can be enforced when it becomes law. This is a rare chance to take a hand in creating a law. Let's all do our best to respect everyone's opinion and to be courteous. If we all work together, we can do some great things! --Adam -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com --------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- - From adam@usdtv.com Fri Sep 9 12:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from fl.usdtv.com (server3.fl.usdtv.com [67.93.234.180]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEFB37D39 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:47:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (babcom.fl.usdtv.com [192.168.1.68]) by fl.usdtv.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB882C7AD for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4321847A.3040309@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass Organization: US Digital Television User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040906 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] Scenarios Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 9 12:48:00 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:47:54 -0400 Hello all, One of the excellent ideas from last Thursday's meeting with Rep. Porth came from John McLaughlin. His idea is for us to create a whole bunch of spamming scenarios to use as test cases for the bill's language. For example: - Spam sent from Florida to another part of the USA - Spam sent from a hijacked computer - Spam sent from Florida to a computer within Florida *** IMPORTANT: We will create other threads to discuss just what spam is, what a spammer is, how to figure out if spam came from Florida, and other issues. This thread is ONLY for coming up with scenarios. Who can think of a few more? --Adam -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com --------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- - From adam@usdtv.com Fri Sep 9 13:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from fl.usdtv.com (server3.fl.usdtv.com [67.93.234.180]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595F237CBF for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (babcom.fl.usdtv.com [192.168.1.68]) by fl.usdtv.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198A12C7AD for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <432193D3.6040308@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass Organization: US Digital Television User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040906 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] What is spam? Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 9 13:54:01 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:53:23 -0400 The subject line speaks for itself. Who wants to give it a first draft definition? Also, can anyone volunteer to look up similar laws and statutes which might already have definitions that can be used? --Adam -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com --------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- - From adam@usdtv.com Fri Sep 9 13:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from fl.usdtv.com (server3.fl.usdtv.com [67.93.234.180]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16F037D66 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (babcom.fl.usdtv.com [192.168.1.68]) by fl.usdtv.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1B2C7AD for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43219449.1060005@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass Organization: US Digital Television User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040906 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] What is a spammER ? Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 9 13:56:01 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:55:21 -0400 This is different from the thread about defining spam. This one is about defining a spammmer. Is someone who buys e-mail addresses and sends to them a spammer? Is someone whose computer gets hijacked and starts spamming a spammer? Who is one, who is not? Does anyone know of legal definitions from similar laws or statutes? --Adam -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com --------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- - From trent@neobeach.com Sat Sep 10 00:30:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from xrelay.myacc.net (corerhythm.myacc.net [24.233.167.165]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13CA37D3D for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:30:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.myacc.net (mail.myacc.local [10.10.0.13]) by xrelay.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AC67776 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD47BAD01B for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myacc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27036-10 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (crlspr-24.233.181.65.myacc.net [24.233.181.65]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A702EBA8C50 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43222926.1070209@neobeach.com> From: Trent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at myacc.net Subject: [SlamSpam] virus/worm - spam email Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 10 00:31:01 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:30:30 -0400 What is to stop a spammer from saying a virus/tojan/worm is responsible for their bulk email? Or even yet, my computer has hijacked, I didn't do it? Then the burden off proof is still on the state. -- Thanks, Trent.. From trent@neobeach.com Sat Sep 10 00:33:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from xrelay.myacc.net (corerhythm.myacc.net [24.233.167.165]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F9E37CBF for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.myacc.net (mail.myacc.local [10.10.0.13]) by xrelay.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA26B7780 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CC7BAC1FC for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myacc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27570-22 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (crlspr-24.233.181.65.myacc.net [24.233.181.65]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FFFBAD069 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <432229BA.5090806@neobeach.com> From: Trent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at myacc.net Subject: [SlamSpam] tax dollars Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 10 00:33:02 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:32:58 -0400 How much is the state going to spend each to to enforce this bill? I.E. Is Florida going to hire Spam Police to work with other law enforcement agencies? -- Thanks, Trent.. From trent@neobeach.com Sat Sep 10 00:40:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from xrelay.myacc.net (corerhythm.myacc.net [24.233.167.165]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EB337CBF for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.myacc.net (mail.myacc.local [10.10.0.13]) by xrelay.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F190677C5 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC50BA4216 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.myacc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.myacc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30021-47 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (crlspr-24.233.181.65.myacc.net [24.233.181.65]) by mail.myacc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86704BAD066 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43222B5D.2050709@neobeach.com> From: Trent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] tax dollars References: <432229BA.5090806@neobeach.com> In-Reply-To: <432229BA.5090806@neobeach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at myacc.net Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 10 00:41:01 2005 X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:39:57 -0400 Or work with large corporations? http://legal.web.aol.com/index.html Thanks, Trent.. Trent wrote: > > How much is the state going to spend each to to enforce this bill? > I.E. Is Florida going to hire Spam Police to work with other law > enforcement agencies? > From adam@usdtv.com Fri May 26 01:01:51 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CCD37DE4 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 25509 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 01:27:25 -0000 Received: from dsl092-213-153.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [10.0.0.101]) (billtcat@[66.92.213.153]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 26 May 2006 01:27:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: <3B1A3743-AE14-492D-B507-2FFA14AF078B@usdtv.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-648400420 To: slamspam@flux.org From: Adam Glass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Subject: [SlamSpam] The Future of FLUX Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 01:02:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:26:48 -0400 --Apple-Mail-3-648400420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello all, FLUX got a great writeup in the New Times Best Of 2006, but we shouldn't rest on our laurels, because from what I've heard, they are not comfortable to sit on. FLUX was founded in 1997. Linux, Free/Open Source Software, and the community surrounding them have changed drastically since then. One of our main strengths, the Linux e-mail list, is and will continue to be one of the great resources for Linux users looking for help with their technical problems. All the web pages in the world are nice, but the folks who reply to messages on our list give personal help to solve one person's issues at a time, customized for each situation, and for free. Some of our members have been doing that for years and years, and they deserve a great deal of credit for it. I hope it continues for many years because their help will always be needed. But attendance at our meetings has been in a slow decline for awhile now, despite the fantastic presentations we have been privileged to host. We have a small but excellent group of local members who generously give their time and effort to share their knowledge in front of the group. We have also been able to take advantage of our status as a tourist destination to host many of the Linux/Open Source community's biggest names and brightest talents. But for some reason, fewer people are showing up. The highest attendance we had this year, when the inventor of the Asterisk PBX spoke, was about the number that showed up to regular meetings long ago. When Novell went to great expense to send three people to our meeting, one of whom flew in for the occasion, a tiny crowd was there. Hey, at least everybody got a hat :) Special events have become another challenge. Years ago we had a booth in three or four trade shows and events per year, some two or three days long, and were always able to staff the booth with plenty of people. The last time we did an event it was very hard to get enough folks for one day. There is no obvious, single reason for the change. There is no obvious, single thing to do about it either. So in the grand Linux tradition, let's talk about it on an e-mail list! BUT ... an endless discussion won't help much. So here's an idea: We will use our old "slam-spam" list to discuss ways the Linux community has changed and ideas for the future of FLUX. The ideas must be realistic. After all, we have no money or resources -- other than time that people choose to volunteer. The list will be open for a week or so, until our June 8th meeting. The list will be turned off (but archived) that day. Then, the June FLUX meeting will be devoted to planning and figuring out who will volunteer to implement the ideas we come up with. Perhaps someone will volunteer to work on posting notices in free newspapers, and someone else will volunteer to do ... well, I'm sure a group like ours will figure out something by then. A duplicate copy of this message will be posted on the slam-spam list shortly, and the discussions can begin. Anyone who had been subscribed to slamspam has been unsubscribed, to avoid unwanted messages. To join the list, just go to http://www.flux.org/mailman/ listinfo/slamspam I've always been impressed with the usually civilized behavior on our lists, and am sure we will keep that up on this list too. FLUX will be nine years old this September. Let's figure out how to make our tenth birthday huge! MEETING DETAILS =============== DATE: Thursday, June 8, 2006 TIME: 6:30pm refreshments, meeting begins 7:00pm PLACE: Nova Southeastern University, our regular room (see flux.org for directions) MARK YOUR CALENDAR! SEE YOU THERE ON THE 8TH! --Apple-Mail-3-648400420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello all,

FLUX=A0got a great writeup = in the New Times Best Of 2006, but we shouldn't rest on our laurels, = because from what I've heard, they are not comfortable to sit = on.

FLUX was founded in 1997.=A0 = Linux, Free/Open Source Software, and the community surrounding them = have changed drastically since then.=A0 One of our main strengths, the = Linux e-mail list, is and will continue to be one of the great resources = for Linux users looking for help with their technical problems.=A0 All = the web pages in the world are nice, but the folks who reply to messages = on our list give personal help to solve one person's issues at a time, = customized for each situation, and for free.=A0 Some of our members have = been doing that for years and years, and they deserve a great deal of = credit for it.=A0 I hope it continues for many years because their help = will always be needed.

But attendance at our = meetings has been in a slow decline for awhile now, despite the = fantastic presentations we have been privileged to host.=A0 We have a = small but excellent group of local members who generously give their = time and effort to share their knowledge in front of the group.=A0 We = have also been able to take advantage of our status as a tourist = destination to host many of the Linux/Open Source community's biggest = names and brightest talents.

But for some reason, fewer = people are showing up.=A0 The highest attendance we had this year, when = the inventor of the Asterisk PBX spoke, was about the number that showed = up to regular meetings long ago.=A0 When Novell went to great expense to = send three people to our meeting, one of whom flew in for the occasion, = a tiny crowd was there.=A0 Hey, at least everybody got a hat=A0 = :)

Special events have become = another challenge.=A0 Years ago we had a booth in three or four trade = shows and events per year, some two or three days long, and were always = able to staff the booth with plenty of people.=A0 The last time we did = an event it was very hard to get enough folks for one = day.

There is no obvious, single = reason for the change.=A0 There is no obvious, single thing to do about = it either.=A0 So in the grand Linux tradition, let's talk about it on an = e-mail list!

BUT ... an endless = discussion won't help much.=A0 So here's an idea:=A0 We will use our old = "slam-spam" list to discuss ways the Linux community has changed and = ideas for the future of FLUX.=A0 The ideas must be realistic.=A0 After = all, we have no money or resources -- other than time that people choose = to volunteer.=A0 The list will be open for a week or so, until our June = 8th meeting.=A0 The list will be turned off (but archived) that = day.

Then, the June FLUX meeting = will be devoted to planning and figuring out who will volunteer to = implement the ideas we come up with.=A0 Perhaps someone will volunteer = to work on posting notices in free newspapers, and someone else will = volunteer to do ... well, I'm sure a group like ours will figure out = something by then.

A duplicate copy of this = message will be posted on the slam-spam list shortly, and the = discussions can begin.=A0 Anyone who had been subscribed to slamspam has = been unsubscribed, to avoid unwanted messages.=A0 To join the list, just = go to=A0http://www.flux.org= /mailman/listinfo/slamspam

I've always been impressed = with the usually civilized behavior on our lists, and am sure we will = keep that up on this list too.

FLUX will be nine years old = this September.=A0 Let's figure out how to make our tenth birthday = huge!

MEETING DETAILS
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

DATE:=A0 =A0Thursday, June = 8, 2006

TIME:=A0 =A06:30pm refreshments, meeting begins = 7:00pm

PLACE:=A0 Nova Southeastern University, our regular = room (see flux.org for directions)


MARK YOUR CALENDAR!=A0 SEE = YOU THERE ON THE 8TH!


= --Apple-Mail-3-648400420-- From cheez@phreaker.net Fri May 26 03:25:56 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFCF37DB6 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:25:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([65.2.174.65]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526035132.WOVW24436.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:51:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [65.2.174.65]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526035130.QKUC24775.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:51:30 -0400 Message-ID: <44767B13.6030308@phreaker.net> From: Cheez Cake User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 03:26:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:50:43 -0400 Hi all, my name is Cheez. Cheez Cake, to be exact. A pleasure. I can't vouch for the others, but I know that the number one difficulty in my attending FLUX meetings (and subsequently my declining level of participation) lies in the fact that meetings are held so far up north. (Relatively speaking, of course, I'm probably too far south in your consideration). I think this is, by and large, a big factor. What ever happened to FIU? Just my 0.0156638 Euros. =) -- Cheez Cake. From roach.michael@gmail.com Fri May 26 04:23:27 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F39337DB7 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so274218wri for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:sender; b=eCSCAYy9iToao/hb13cTcBk1RcBq3oOVUWqHm0H4nISk+ddnZzBE311XN+4IGwcdKF8L1zMTur5TLImGSKufu93EFZSa1+MGwLnYaZ1QrAAV0px722a9Q4Xgf3g4zWl6Fm1TXfGYt5oel1AKrjs9TKL7re26QpDc6NoivwSb2pk= Received: by 10.54.103.2 with SMTP id a2mr1228408wrc; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michaelb2e4gy8 ( [66.176.146.175]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g3sm948956wra.2006.05.25.21.49.05; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Subject: RE: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count Organization: Open Source Methods Message-ID: <000001c6807f$b80dc570$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44767B13.6030308@phreaker.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org X-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 04:24:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:49:05 -0400 Cheez Cake wrote: >=20 > I can't vouch for the others, but I know that the number one difficulty=20 > in my attending FLUX meetings (and subsequently my declining level of > participation) lies in the fact that meetings are held so far up north. > (Relatively speaking, of course, I'm probably too far south in your > consideration). >=20 > I think this is, by and large, a big factor. For me, I was often working late or out of town on business before I finally made it to my first meeting. Maybe a later start or weekend meeting could get more members in at once. The region's population is spread out in a narrow strip between sea and swamp. There are probably some from Palm Beach who wish we met in Boca or Deerfield as a reasonable compromise. I bet Adam got a good price on holding meetings at Nova though 8^). Would rolling meetings help? Are there enough members in Miami-Dade for a meeting down South? Enough in Northern Broward and Palm Beach County for a meeting up North? What about topics? Have they been too technical? Would a meeting about making Linux desktops and the command line understandable for other OS Users help? What about meetings on common applications such as Open Office Or Firefox or ??? Or how to use less common applications such as Bit Torrent or Samba or something else to improve the user experience or Productivity or whatever. Recently input was requested on interest in a PHP user group within FLUX. I haven't seen any discussion but perhaps there's some interest there that's been expressed to in e-mail. Are there possibilities for other user groups within FLUX? If so could such groups present some of the meetings in the future? From cheez@phreaker.net Fri May 26 05:28:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.72]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5DC37D8B for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:28:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ([65.2.174.65]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526055354.HZPN25207.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm70aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:53:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [65.2.174.65]) by ibm70aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526055354.CXCQ5063.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: <447697A7.8040504@phreaker.net> From: Cheez Cake User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count References: <000001c6807f$b80dc570$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> In-Reply-To: <000001c6807f$b80dc570$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 05:29:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:52:39 -0400 >Would rolling meetings help? Are there enough members in Miami-Dade >for a >meeting down South? Enough in Northern Broward and Palm Beach County >for >a meeting up North? > > > I think these might be issues for a poll. Although the thought of splitting up the FLUX doesn't really appeal to me. >What about topics? Have they been too technical? Would a meeting about >making Linux desktops and the command line understandable for other OS >Users help? What about meetings on common applications such as Open >Office >Or Firefox or ??? Or how to use less common applications such as Bit >Torrent or Samba or something else to improve the user experience or >Productivity or whatever. > > > I am personally not really attracted to the topics as much as I am attracted to the meet. I remember though a presentation that really stood out, a ROLODEX type application written in BASH. That one really showed the potential of bash. Personally I prefer meetings where the topic is about doing funky things with ordinary elements. Hacker spirit. >Recently input was requested on interest in a PHP user group within >FLUX. >I haven't seen any discussion but perhaps there's some interest there >that's been expressed to in e-mail. Are there possibilities for other >user >groups within FLUX? If so could such groups present some of the >meetings >in the future? > There's pretty much nothing you can't figure out by reading the books. Although meetings serve a dual purpose by being vehicles for information dissemination, meetings are essentially about forming a community and showing the potential that Linux/Libre/OSS code has. Breaking up the flux would be contrary to the spirit of the community. It doesn't matter what the lecture/talk/class is about, it's really about the aftermath, the get-together, the networking. That's what keeps people coming back. Hell, we should even start a distributed.net team and if we win, split the rewards amongst the people that donated cpu time. It's not about the prizes, even. It's about the spirit of the community. There are enough people down south and up north to form two different groups with different meeting schedules. Whether this would be wise would be a point for debate, but the logic is there. There seems to be a mindset in flux that there must be a point of contemplation in every meeting. Something must always be said. But what are the values of words when they are not put to practice? Better to have install fests and try installing Linux on tricked out 386's with 16 megabytes of ram and old tandy keyboards... Public key exchange rituals, bake outs, picnics, form a Flux rock band... who the hell wants to go to class. But I digress... Maybe instead of one Big Ass Class (forgive the language), there should be three teeny classes and that way we can try and keep everyone happy (or at least interested and refreshed), chances are they'll find at the very least one talk/class/whatever interesting. And then again, you can always try subsidizing your meetings... free cookies anyone? People will always go where there is food... especially hungry hackers by word of mouth. Enough ranting... -- Mr.Cake From roach.michael@gmail.com Fri May 26 12:33:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5658D37D8B for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:33:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so335079wri for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:58:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:in-reply-to:importance:x-mimeole:sender; b=QEtz4/aW4Ry4pagy8ibnOrYos3q0DLMxw6df32Qrru+7h24jDWVLXj7cfurYXr3exZmshL3qZCz4vTX6uPpA5RXr/lDehiXPWEIEm+q4Mmr0hBKY4/q48Dqymu55JBy2RcFq4MZaS5Y77MFoJHEXrPoFMALVE42nIN+bfs1XEIo= Received: by 10.54.103.2 with SMTP id a2mr1611150wrc; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michaelb2e4gy8 ( [66.176.146.175]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 10sm1256370wrl.2006.05.26.05.58.12; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Subject: RE: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count Organization: Open Source Methods Message-ID: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <447697A7.8040504@phreaker.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org X-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 12:34:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:58:10 -0400 Cheez Cake wrote: >=20 > [I wrote] >=20 > >Would rolling meetings help? Are there enough members in Miami-Dade > >for a > >meeting down South? Enough in Northern Broward and Palm Beach County > >for > >a meeting up North? > > I think these might be issues for a poll. Although the thought of=20 > splitting up the FLUX doesn't really appeal to me. Rather than a poll, how about coming to the June meeting and discussing these issues? Then the discussion can drive future polls. Going forward it might be good to have a quarterly or annual "State of Flux" discussion meeting or panel to see what we can do to drive interest in the group. > >What about topics? Have they been too technical? Would a meeting about > >making Linux desktops and the command line understandable for other OS > >Users help? What about meetings on common applications such as Open Office > >Or Firefox or ??? Or how to use less common applications such as Bit > >Torrent or Samba or something else to improve the user experience or > >Productivity or whatever. > > I am personally not really attracted to the topics as much as I am=20 > attracted to the meet. > I remember though a presentation that really stood out, a=20 > ROLODEX type=20 > application written in BASH. > That one really showed the potential of bash. Personally I prefer=20 > meetings where the topic is about > doing funky things with ordinary elements. Hacker spirit. This is great for hackers but hackers drive the development of Linux. It's users who use these hacks who drive the use of Linux. If a topic or set of topics doesn't appeal to the users then they won't come to the user group meeting. > >Recently input was requested on interest in a PHP user group within FLUX. > >I haven't seen any discussion but perhaps there's some interest there > >that's been expressed to in e-mail. Are there possibilities for other user > >groups within FLUX? If so could such groups present some of the meetings > >in the future? >=20 > There's pretty much nothing you can't figure out by reading=20 > the books.=20 > Although meetings serve a dual purpose > by being vehicles for information dissemination, meetings are=20 > essentially about forming a community and showing > the potential that Linux/Libre/OSS code has. Breaking up the=20 > flux would=20 > be contrary to the spirit of the community. I do not want to break up the community. My thought on the rolling Meeting sites is that others who cannot attend due to distance are served and included. > It doesn't matter what the lecture/talk/class is about, it's really=20 > about the aftermath, the get-together, the networking. > That's what keeps people coming back. Hell, we should even start a=20 > distributed.net team and if we win, split the rewards > amongst the people that donated cpu time. It's not about the prizes, > even. It's about the spirit of the community. Exactly! However, the theme of the meet needs to be interesting enough to get the users in. > There are enough people down south and up north to form two different=20 > groups with different meeting schedules. > Whether this would be wise would be a point for debate, but=20 > the logic is=20 > there. Different schedules is a very interesting alternative. For example, I belonged to a group in Colorado that had two meets on the same topic a month: one South of where I lived for the members in Colorado Springs and one North for the members in Denver and Boulder. Because I lived South of Denver I found myself just about equidistant from both sites. I could go on the night that was most convenient for me. It is possible That because of this feature I attended more meetings than if there was one central location with one meeting a month. This was good for me but Even better for those who lived farther from the center of the region. > There seems to be a mindset in flux that there must be a point of=20 > contemplation in every meeting. Something must always be said. > But what are the values of words when they are not put to practice? >=20 > Better to have install fests and try installing Linux on tricked out > 386's with 16 megabytes of ram and old tandy keyboards... > Public key exchange rituals, bake outs, picnics, form a Flux rock=20 > band... who the hell wants to go to class. Fantastic! Nothing worthwhile can be taught in a couple hours any way so the topic needs to be interesting and the presentation needs to feed that interest. An install fest might get some fence sitters to try Linux: they can bring their machines in before buying that shiny new box with a different OS and try it out. A Flux picnic or beach party once in a while sounds great. Bring the Your friends and family! > But I digress... >=20 > Maybe instead of one Big Ass Class (forgive the language),=20 > there should=20 > be three teeny classes and that way we can > try and keep everyone happy (or at least interested and refreshed),=20 > chances are they'll find at the very least one talk/class/whatever=20 > interesting. What about getting representatives from local small businesses who have been using Linux come in and discuss the experience? Things to look out for (users complaining that Windows doesn't do it like this) and things that went well (no more money for Redmond). A publicity campaign might get other small businesses in and they could see that it really is possible to be productive without Windows. Over in the other track (can't get that classroom mentality out of my mind, I guess) we could do something a little more technical. Say, a death match between vi and emacs users, perhaps. > And then again, you can always try subsidizing your meetings... free > cookies anyone? >=20 > People will always go where there is food... especially=20 > hungry hackers=20 > by word of mouth. Adam already provides sufficient free food for the size of our meetings (an applause for Adam!) and CDs are given away yet we are contemplating declining attendance. Maybe we need to consider advertising while there's still some momentum from the "Best Of" issue. An aside: the Java user's group in Denver was subsidized by Sun Microsystems, who provided the food and got Qwest Communications to provide the meeting site. Someone (I don't know if it was the JUG, Sun, or Qwest) got other businesses to donate door prized. These were given away at the end during random drawings and trivia contests. They had hundreds of people showing up and were always running out of food and over the time budget. The time issue was due to wide-ranging before-and-after discussions in the halls that were also driven by the fact that Qwest didn't let us eat in the auditorium: if someone's talking to one of the presenter while both are trying to finish their sandwiches, then the start time gets pushed back. Maybe we could contact them and ask them for pointers for creating buzz and driving interest. I'm sure that if the group takes off like this Adam would be very interested in finding a sponsor or sponsors to feed us! From adam.glass@usdtv.com Fri May 26 13:51:13 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from APOLLO.usdtv.com (email.usdtv.com [69.88.71.11]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B1D37D91 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:51:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.20.1.86] ([63.167.202.194]) by APOLLO.usdtv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 26 May 2006 08:17:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> References: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-694603650 Message-Id: From: Adam Glass Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count To: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 14:17:18.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[18952150:01C680CF] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1345-3.52.1006-14468.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.900000-5.000000-31 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 13:52:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:16:51 -0400 --Apple-Mail-3-694603650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed It's interesting how the issues before us change so little over time :) First, it's important to note that refreshments are sponsored by my employer, US Digital Television. This is real altruism on the company's part because our service is not even available in Florida (yet). Second, there are Linux user groups based in both Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties, so rolling meetings could only happen within Broward. Third, we did not "get a good price" for meeting at Nova Southeastern University. We are very fortunate that NSU and other colleges and universities in Broward are civic minded and willing to host our group. The people we've worked with there have put in huge amounts of effort for us over the years, and we have been given access to resources and facilities whenever we asked for them. I am very grateful that we have such fantastic partners. Regarding meeting topics: FLUX is a volunteer organization. Nobody chooses the meeting topics and then hands them out as assignments to presenters. It works the opposite way. If someone is interested in giving a talk on a particular subject, we put them on the meeting schedule. In fact, that is the main danger of helping people on the FLUX list: If you appear to know what you're talking about and appear able to explain it well, expect an e-mail from me asking if you'd like to do a talk on the topic at a FLUX meeting :) Having said that, perhaps we could put together a list of interesting meeting topics, and see if anyone volunteers to take them on for future meetings. Installfests ... them suckers require a LOT of preparation. We did a few in years past. I'd love to restart them if we can find volunteers who have the time. Our main constraint, it seems to me, is the time and energy that volunteers are willing to devote. When we come up with all these great ideas, we also have to figure out how they can realistically be accomplished. It's my hope that this discussion and the June meeting will identify some folks who would like to take a more active role in the group. --Adam --Apple-Mail-3-694603650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
It's interesting how the = issues before us change so little over time :)

First, it's important to = note that refreshments are sponsored by my employer, US Digital = Television.=A0 This is real altruism on the company's part because our = service is not even available in Florida (yet).

Second, there are Linux user = groups based in both Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties, so rolling = meetings could only happen within Broward.

Third, we did not "get a = good price" for meeting at Nova Southeastern University.=A0 We are very = fortunate that NSU and other colleges and universities in Broward are = civic minded and willing to host our group.=A0 The people we've worked = with there have put in huge amounts of effort for us over the years, and = we have been given access to resources and facilities whenever we asked = for them.=A0 I am very grateful that we have such fantastic = partners.

Regarding meeting topics:=A0 FLUX is a volunteer = organization.=A0 Nobody chooses the meeting topics and then hands them = out as assignments to presenters.=A0 It works the opposite way.=A0 If = someone is interested in giving a talk on a particular subject, we put = them on the meeting schedule.=A0 In fact, that is the main danger of = helping people on the FLUX list:=A0 If you appear to know what you're = talking about and appear able to explain it well, expect an e-mail from = me asking if you'd like to do a talk on the topic at a FLUX meeting=A0 = :)=A0=A0

Having said that, perhaps we could put together a list = of interesting meeting topics, and see if anyone volunteers to take them = on for future meetings.

Installfests ... them suckers require a LOT of = preparation.=A0 We did a few in years past.=A0 I'd love to restart them = if we can find volunteers who have the time.=A0

Our main constraint, it = seems to me, is the time and energy that volunteers are willing to = devote.=A0 When we come up with all these great ideas, we also have to = figure out how they can realistically be accomplished.=A0 It's my hope = that this discussion and the June meeting will identify some folks who = would like to take a more active role in the group.

--Adam

= --Apple-Mail-3-694603650-- From chris@bareflix.com Fri May 26 14:57:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from bareflix.com (h-66-167-31-242.miatflad.covad.net [66.167.31.242]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E1037D91 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:57:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: by bareflix.com (Postfix, from userid 5884) id 4451B13DFAED; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count In-Reply-To: To: slamspam@flux.org From: Chris Bare X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL100 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20060526152352.4451B13DFAED@bareflix.com> Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 14:58:03 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) I noticed that there are over 500 memebers on the flux.org site, and I don't know how many are on the mailing lists, but obviously the majority don't make it to the meetings. What do you think of sending an email to all members/lists asking what would get them to come to a meeting? Seems like some actual data would be helpful and while I know most people probably won't answer, it might give us some ideas. Another thought I had was to do a science-fair-type meeting, where several people could setup and demo something interesting. I realize that requires people to volunteer, so it might not work, but I thought an alternative to the classroom style presentation might be attractive sometimes. -- Chris Bare chris@bareflix.com From amit_raja_kaplish@yahoo.com Fri May 26 16:25:39 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from web50112.mail.yahoo.com (web50112.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.149]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D5A437D91 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:25:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 60207 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2006 16:51:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5cGRAtocmD/WeuU1DY7KitcQYRras7dlha2AERvjhGpTbBDPZnbG/AXnCAuQKuvz5pCE9WMhBMUhx/+Gp1ya/HWI+nr76xebHU/KJsjiAZjMgoJ8KukcDpNo/vUkIWPg6OIbePeCJi0/L8qAR0e/mhx3+F6N3rSusKa0dQvaXMQ= ; Message-ID: <20060526165121.60205.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.12.197.229] by web50112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:51:21 PDT From: amit kaplish To: slamspam@flux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1269004240-1148662281=:59282" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [SlamSpam] Possibly other reasons for decline in attendance? Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 16:26:02 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) --0-1269004240-1148662281=:59282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I started attending meetings at the end of '05 and, I for one, think FLUX kicks ass. And Adam, you do a fantastic job as benevolent leader. As for my recent lack of participation, I am very disappointed that my new job has rotating scheduling where recently my shifts and FLUX meetings have overlapped. When LUGs started out, there wasn't too much good literature on Linux and being a newbie was really difficult and newbies were prone to harrassment for stupid questions except maybe at LUGs. Although Linux is not mainstream, there's a ton of information on anything via google, wiki's. etc. now. A possibly relevant question that long-term members might be able to answer: Might there be an inverse relationship between increasing quality/quantity of information on the Internet, increasingly good distros, increasing ease of installation and driver support, etc and FLUX attendance? People to target for membership and attendance might be the technically savvy non-Linux users....advanced Windows users or telecom people, or curious business/IT types. How feasible are podcasts? This might spur interest of viewers in attending when they can't ask questions or participate. Any other such cockamamie ideas that might help? In summary, I don't know if decreasing attendance has anything to do with FLUX...Mark Spencer, Novell, the iSCSI guys, and our own members have made excellent presentations and the meetings enjoyable and very informative. And no matter what, there's nothing like being able to pick each others' brains at meetings. --Amit --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1269004240-1148662281=:59282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I started attending meetings at the end of '05 and, I for one, think FLUX kicks ass.  And Adam, you do a fantastic job as benevolent leader.  As for my recent lack of participation, I am very disappointed that my new job has rotating scheduling where recently my shifts and FLUX meetings have overlapped. 

When LUGs started out, there wasn't too much good literature on Linux and being a newbie was really difficult and newbies were prone to harrassment for stupid questions except maybe at LUGs.  Although Linux is not mainstream, there's a ton of information on anything via google, wiki's. etc. now.

A possibly relevant question that long-term members might be able to answer:  Might there be an inverse relationship between increasing quality/quantity of information on the Internet,  increasingly good distros, increasing ease of installation and driver support, etc and FLUX attendance? 

People to target for membership and attendance might be the technically savvy non-Linux users....advanced Windows users or telecom people, or curious business/IT types.  How feasible are podcasts?  This might spur interest of viewers in attending when they can't ask questions or participate.  Any other such cockamamie ideas that might help?

In summary, I don't know if decreasing attendance has anything to do with FLUX...Mark Spencer, Novell, the iSCSI guys, and our own members have made excellent presentations and the meetings enjoyable and very informative.  And no matter what, there's nothing like being able to pick each others' brains at meetings.

--Amit

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1269004240-1148662281=:59282-- From cheez@phreaker.net Fri May 26 16:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A8037D91 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ibm63aec.bellsouth.net ([65.2.174.65]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526170755.SIBE23869.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm63aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [65.2.174.65]) by ibm63aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060526170755.NBKR29484.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:55 -0400 Message-ID: <447735E9.6030605@phreaker.net> From: Cheez Cake User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count References: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 16:43:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:53 -0400 Adam Glass wrote: > It's interesting how the issues before us change so little over time :) > I was not aware that they were recurring. Maybe that is an indicator of a fundamental flaw somewhere. > First, it's important to note that refreshments are sponsored by my > employer, US Digital Television. This is real altruism on the > company's part because our service is not even available in Florida (yet). > Hail US Digital TV! Those who feed hackers feed themselves! :: raises cup :: > Second, there are Linux user groups based in both Palm Beach and > Miami-Dade counties, so rolling meetings could only happen within Broward. > Say again? I had NO IDEA that there were Miami-Dade Linux User Groups. Fundamental flaw anyone? Lack of communication maybe? I certainly never saw anything on the FLUX main site. Maybe the different linux groups should claim / represent? Linux 305 fa' sho. > Third, we did not "get a good price" for meeting at Nova Southeastern > University. We are very fortunate that NSU and other colleges and > universities in Broward are civic minded and willing to host our > group. The people we've worked with there have put in huge amounts of > effort for us over the years, and we have been given access to > resources and facilities whenever we asked for them. I am very > grateful that we have such fantastic partners. > Hail NSU. > Regarding meeting topics: FLUX is a volunteer organization. Nobody > chooses the meeting topics and then hands them out as assignments to > presenters. It works the opposite way. If someone is interested in > giving a talk on a particular subject, we put them on the meeting > schedule. In fact, that is the main danger of helping people on the > FLUX list: If you appear to know what you're talking about and appear > able to explain it well, expect an e-mail from me asking if you'd like > to do a talk on the topic at a FLUX meeting :) > > Having said that, perhaps we could put together a list of interesting > meeting topics, and see if anyone volunteers to take them on for > future meetings. > > Installfests ... them suckers require a LOT of preparation. We did a > few in years past. I'd love to restart them if we can find volunteers > who have the time. > Hear, hear! > Our main constraint, it seems to me, is the time and energy that > volunteers are willing to devote. When we come up with all these > great ideas, we also have to figure out how they can realistically be > accomplished. It's my hope that this discussion and the June meeting > will identify some folks who would like to take a more active role in > the group. > > --Adam > So I'm in Dade right, but I want to be in Flux, not Miami-LUG, not LUG305... it seems to me that there should be a central directory or council of some sorts with sitting members of all the LUGS down here, even if just a virtual council. They can CO-Ordinate big events, or at least, spread the word quicker. Like I said, I had no idea there were Miami-Dade LUGS. None as reputable (or as infamous) as flux though. :P Don't we want to foster Openness in the community? =) -- Chai Chai From adam.glass@usdtv.com Fri May 26 16:52:15 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from APOLLO.usdtv.com (email.usdtv.com [69.88.71.11]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F9037DD0 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:52:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.20.1.86] ([63.167.202.194]) by APOLLO.usdtv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:18:21 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20060526165121.60205.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060526165121.60205.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-705465508 Message-Id: <7BA08532-BC22-4F64-B642-FD80B907730E@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Possibly other reasons for decline in attendance? To: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 17:18:21.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[634B6010:01C680E8] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1345-3.52.1006-14468.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.750000-5.000000-31 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 16:53:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:53 -0400 --Apple-Mail-7-705465508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks for the compliment. Many other people help run the group, =20 they are just not as visible as I am ... and someday I'll lose some =20 weight and become less visible myself :) It is very possible that meeting attendance declines as the number of =20= other resources goes up. What does that mean? Are meetings still =20 relevant? To whom? The idea of podcasting or other forms of recording meetings has come =20 up before. It would require someone with sophisticated A/V equipment =20= who is willing to haul it all in every month and then do the work to =20 get the result onto the internet. Our meeting room is pretty much =20 the opposite of ideal for recording. The lighting would let one =20 either see the screen or the presenter but not both, and there is a =20 loud air conditioning unit that cycles on and off every 5-10 =20 minutes. The issue of hearing audience questions is another =20 challenge. Also some people might have privacy issues and not want =20 to be recorded. I've always been very proud that we have an educational presentation =20 as the focus of our meetings, but perhaps the need or usefulness of =20 that focus is diminished these days, and networking (not the IP =20 address kind) is of more interest. --Adam On May 26, 2006, at 12:51 PM, amit kaplish wrote: > I started attending meetings at the end of '05 and, I for one, =20 > think FLUX kicks ass. And Adam, you do a fantastic job as =20 > benevolent leader. As for my recent lack of participation, I am =20 > very disappointed that my new job has rotating scheduling where =20 > recently my shifts and FLUX meetings have overlapped. > > When LUGs started out, there wasn't too much good literature on =20 > Linux and being a newbie was really difficult and newbies were =20 > prone to harrassment for stupid questions except maybe at LUGs. =20 > Although Linux is not mainstream, there's a ton of information on =20 > anything via google, wiki's. etc. now. > > A possibly relevant question that long-term members might be able =20 > to answer: Might there be an inverse relationship between =20 > increasing quality/quantity of information on the Internet, =20 > increasingly good distros, increasing ease of installation and =20 > driver support, etc and FLUX attendance? > > People to target for membership and attendance might be the =20 > technically savvy non-Linux users....advanced Windows users or =20 > telecom people, or curious business/IT types. How feasible are =20 > podcasts? This might spur interest of viewers in attending when =20 > they can't ask questions or participate. Any other such cockamamie =20= > ideas that might help? > > In summary, I don't know if decreasing attendance has anything to =20 > do with FLUX...Mark Spencer, Novell, the iSCSI guys, and our own =20 > members have made excellent presentations and the meetings =20 > enjoyable and very informative. And no matter what, there's =20 > nothing like being able to pick each others' brains at meetings. > > --Amit > > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. =20 > Great rates starting at 1=A2/min. --Apple-Mail-7-705465508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the compliment.=A0 = Many other people help run the group, they are just not as visible as I = am ... and someday I'll lose some weight and become less visible myself=A0= :)

It is very = possible that meeting attendance declines as the number of other = resources goes up.=A0 What does that mean?=A0 Are meetings still = relevant?=A0 To whom?

The idea of podcasting or = other forms of recording meetings has come up before.=A0 It would = require someone with sophisticated A/V equipment who is willing to haul = it all in every month and then do the work to get the result onto the = internet.=A0 Our meeting room is pretty much the opposite of ideal for = recording.=A0 The lighting would let one either see the screen or the = presenter but not both, and there is a loud air conditioning unit that = cycles on and off every 5-10 minutes.=A0 The issue of hearing audience = questions is another challenge.=A0 Also some people might have privacy = issues and not want to be recorded.

I've always been very proud = that we have an educational presentation as the focus of our meetings, = but perhaps the need or usefulness of that focus is diminished these = days, and networking (not the IP address kind) is of more = interest.

--Adam

On May 26, 2006, at 12:51 PM, amit kaplish wrote:

I started = attending meetings at the end of '05 and, I for one, think FLUX kicks = ass.=A0 And Adam, you do a fantastic job as benevolent leader.=A0 As for = my recent lack of participation, I am very disappointed that my new job = has rotating scheduling where recently my shifts and FLUX meetings have = overlapped.=A0

When LUGs started out, there wasn't too much = good literature on Linux and being a newbie was really difficult and = newbies were prone to harrassment for stupid questions except maybe at = LUGs.=A0 Although Linux is not mainstream, there's a ton of information = on anything via google, wiki's. etc. now.

A possibly relevant = question that long-term members might be able to answer:=A0 Might there = be an inverse relationship between increasing quality/quantity of = information on the Internet,=A0 increasingly good distros, increasing = ease of installation and driver support, etc and FLUX attendance?=A0 =

People to target for membership and attendance might be the = technically savvy non-Linux users....advanced Windows users or telecom = people, or curious business/IT types.=A0 How feasible are podcasts?=A0 = This might spur interest of viewers in attending when they can't ask = questions or participate.=A0 Any other such cockamamie ideas that might = help?

In summary, I don't know if decreasing attendance has = anything to do with FLUX...Mark Spencer, Novell, the iSCSI guys, and our = own members have made excellent presentations and the meetings enjoyable = and very informative.=A0 And no matter what, there's nothing like being = able to pick each others' brains at meetings.

--Amit
=

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone = calls. Great rates starting at = 1=A2/min.

= --Apple-Mail-7-705465508-- From adam.glass@usdtv.com Fri May 26 17:02:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from APOLLO.usdtv.com (email.usdtv.com [69.88.71.11]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295E037D8B for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:02:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.20.1.86] ([63.167.202.194]) by APOLLO.usdtv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:28:56 -0600 In-Reply-To: <447735E9.6030605@phreaker.net> References: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> <447735E9.6030605@phreaker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Glass Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count To: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 17:28:57.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE5908B0:01C680E9] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1345-3.52.1006-14468.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--34.290000-5.000000-31 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 17:03:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:28:28 -0400 Yes, there are Linux user groups in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties. At least, I think there are. They seem to kind of appear and disappear and stuff. PBCLUG has been around on and off for quite a while and we did an installfest or two in partnership with them long ago. I don't recall when they were founded. Their website right now has meeting information for April 5th so I'm not sure what that means as far as existence. The Miami group started a couple of years ago but they have been through some politics. I only remember their original URL (mialug.org), but it is no longer active. A Google search on miami linux and dade linux did not turn up the new URL, but did turn up something I haven't seen before, a Miami-Dade County Linux meetup group. Interesting. So my guess is that version two of the LUG did not work out either. If someone on this list knows more details about either group, please post them. Meanwhile I will sign up on the meetup group just to see what they're up to, and to find out if there are ways we can work together. --Adam On May 26, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Cheez Cake wrote: > Adam Glass wrote: > >> It's interesting how the issues before us change so little over >> time :) >> > I was not aware that they were recurring. Maybe that is an > indicator of a fundamental flaw somewhere. > >> First, it's important to note that refreshments are sponsored by >> my employer, US Digital Television. This is real altruism on the >> company's part because our service is not even available in >> Florida (yet). >> > Hail US Digital TV! Those who feed hackers feed themselves! :: > raises cup :: > >> Second, there are Linux user groups based in both Palm Beach and >> Miami-Dade counties, so rolling meetings could only happen within >> Broward. >> > Say again? I had NO IDEA that there were Miami-Dade Linux User > Groups. Fundamental flaw anyone? Lack of communication maybe? > I certainly never saw anything on the FLUX main site. Maybe the > different linux groups should claim / represent? Linux 305 fa' sho. > >> Third, we did not "get a good price" for meeting at Nova >> Southeastern University. We are very fortunate that NSU and other >> colleges and universities in Broward are civic minded and willing >> to host our group. The people we've worked with there have put in >> huge amounts of effort for us over the years, and we have been >> given access to resources and facilities whenever we asked for >> them. I am very grateful that we have such fantastic partners. >> > Hail NSU. > >> Regarding meeting topics: FLUX is a volunteer organization. >> Nobody chooses the meeting topics and then hands them out as >> assignments to presenters. It works the opposite way. If someone >> is interested in giving a talk on a particular subject, we put >> them on the meeting schedule. In fact, that is the main danger of >> helping people on the FLUX list: If you appear to know what >> you're talking about and appear able to explain it well, expect an >> e-mail from me asking if you'd like to do a talk on the topic at a >> FLUX meeting :) >> Having said that, perhaps we could put together a list of >> interesting meeting topics, and see if anyone volunteers to take >> them on for future meetings. >> >> Installfests ... them suckers require a LOT of preparation. We >> did a few in years past. I'd love to restart them if we can find >> volunteers who have the time. > Hear, hear! > >> Our main constraint, it seems to me, is the time and energy that >> volunteers are willing to devote. When we come up with all these >> great ideas, we also have to figure out how they can realistically >> be accomplished. It's my hope that this discussion and the June >> meeting will identify some folks who would like to take a more >> active role in the group. >> >> --Adam >> > So I'm in Dade right, but I want to be in Flux, not Miami-LUG, not > LUG305... it seems to me that there should be a central directory > or council of some sorts > with sitting members of all the LUGS down here, even if just a > virtual council. They can CO-Ordinate big events, or at least, > spread the word quicker. > Like I said, I had no idea there were Miami-Dade LUGS. None as > reputable (or as infamous) as flux though. :P > > Don't we want to foster Openness in the community? =) > > -- Chai Chai > _______________________________________________ > SlamSpam mailing list > SlamSpam@flux.org > http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/slamspam From adam.glass@usdtv.com Fri May 26 17:24:55 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from APOLLO.usdtv.com (email.usdtv.com [69.88.71.11]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118BD37D98 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:24:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.20.1.86] ([63.167.202.194]) by APOLLO.usdtv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:51:01 -0600 In-Reply-To: <447735E9.6030605@phreaker.net> References: <000001c680c4$0d1122d0$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> <447735E9.6030605@phreaker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-707425968 Message-Id: <7E563E33-4F45-4EAC-B0B6-089FE7A8E8BA@usdtv.com> From: Adam Glass Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] Reasons for declining participant count To: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 17:51:01.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C66320:01C680EC] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1345-3.52.1006-14468.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--0.090000-5.000000-4 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri May 26 17:25:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:50:34 -0400 --Apple-Mail-8-707425968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well, I went to that meetup site and found something interesting there. It appears that someone has started a whole bunch of related meetup groups, but they all meet at the same place and time, at a restaurant in Hollywood. There's a Slashdot group, a PHP group, a Broward Linux group (that one was quite the surprise), and so on including a Miami- Dade Linux group. So it's possible that there is no actual user group in Miami anymore. It was always hard to find their site and get in touch with them, but if anyone has contact info please post it or send it to me. Even if they're not around anymore, the reason for their demise could be educational to us. --Adam --Apple-Mail-8-707425968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I went to that meetup site and found something = interesting there.

It appears that someone has = started a whole bunch of related meetup groups, but they all meet at the = same place and time, at a restaurant in Hollywood.=A0 There's a Slashdot = group, a PHP group, a Broward Linux group (that one was quite the = surprise), and so on including a Miami-Dade Linux = group.

So it's possible that there = is no actual user group in Miami anymore.=A0 It was always hard to find = their site and get in touch with them, but if anyone has contact info = please post it or send it to me.=A0 Even if they're not around anymore, = the reason for their demise could be educational to = us.
--Adam



= --Apple-Mail-8-707425968-- From me@larrykagan.com Sat May 27 16:53:52 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from pyramid-03.kattare.com (pyramid-03.kattare.com [65.212.180.92]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0766F37D91 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 16:53:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-074-237-124-042.sip.bct.bellsouth.net [74.237.124.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-03.kattare.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RHJkOp032750 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:19:46 -0700 From: Lawrence Kagan To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-OFWtkVd0yo4/HwrGa/zF" Message-Id: <1148750391.9441.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Subject: [SlamSpam] Some ideas Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat May 27 16:54:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:19:50 -0400 --=-OFWtkVd0yo4/HwrGa/zF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's some of my ideas: 1. Place a new module on the FLUX site where people can manually enter a topic they would like to learn more about or vote for a topic someone else already entered. Then include the 'Top 5' topics on the event emails which will inform the linux list of the most popular topics and a reminder that they can vote. (I can take care of this) That way the attendees drive the focus of the group and not necessarily random volunteer speakers. Hopefully, this will encourage those knowledgeable in the subject to present it. 2. We are admins and coders. Yes, we're relatively intelligent but I know my limits. We all love our company marketing departments. Let's ask them if they have any ideas. They may be helpful. 3. Free stuff is good! Let's establish partnerships with commercial vendors and have them sponsor the group by giving away products. For example, let's contact RedHat, Ubuntu, O'Reilly, ThinkGeek, etc.. We can then offer them advertising on the site, emails or at the groups in exchange for monthly contributions of CDs/DVDs, linux paraphernalia, books, shirts, etc... List free items on all event notifications. 4. Advertise the benefits of attending meetings either on the site or current emails. - Social/Professional Networking - Gained knowledge - Community Respect/Recognition For Speakers - Resume building ("Improve your resume!" type of thing) 5. Publish testimonials from current attendees about how the FLUX group has helped them. 6. For those of us that have personal websites or blogs related to technology, Let's post a small FLUX banner/link. I'm sure we can come up with a nice graphic image. 7. I'm not crazy about this next idea but it's worth brainstorming. Add a 'refer-a-friend' form on the site. Enter a friend's email address and we generate an email invitation listing some of the above benefits. 8. Have FLUX t-shirts printed. Either have attendees pay for them or print commercial sponsors' logos on the back for sponsoring the cost of the shirts or a hybrid of the two. We can actually generate revenue (not profit) to help in acquiring new members. Hopefully these will not only prove directly beneficial but also prompt some new ideas. Larry --=-OFWtkVd0yo4/HwrGa/zF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's some of my ideas:

1. Place a new module on the FLUX site where people can manually enter a topic they would like to learn more about or vote for a topic someone else already entered.  Then include the 'Top 5' topics on the event emails which will inform the linux list of the most popular topics and a reminder that they can vote. (I can take care of this)  That way the attendees drive the focus of the group and not necessarily random volunteer speakers.  Hopefully, this will encourage those knowledgeable in the subject to present it.

2. We are admins and coders.  Yes, we're relatively intelligent but I know my limits.  <sarcasm>We all love our company marketing departments.</sarcasm> Let's ask them if they have any ideas.  They may be helpful.

3. Free stuff is good!  Let's establish partnerships with commercial vendors and have them sponsor the group by giving away products.  For example, let's contact RedHat, Ubuntu, O'Reilly, ThinkGeek, etc..  We can then offer them advertising on the site, emails or at the groups in exchange for monthly contributions of CDs/DVDs, linux paraphernalia, books, shirts, etc...  List free items on all event notifications.

4. Advertise the benefits of attending meetings either on the site or current emails.
    - Social/Professional Networking
    - Gained knowledge
    - Community Respect/Recognition For Speakers
    - Resume building  ("Improve your resume!" type of thing)

5. Publish testimonials from current attendees about how the FLUX group has helped them.

6. For those of us that have personal websites or blogs related to technology, Let's post a small FLUX banner/link.  I'm sure we can come up with a nice graphic image.

7. I'm not crazy about this next idea but it's worth brainstorming. Add a 'refer-a-friend' form on the site.  Enter a friend's email address and we generate an email invitation listing some of the above benefits.

8. Have FLUX t-shirts printed.  Either have attendees pay for them or print commercial sponsors' logos on the back for sponsoring the cost of the shirts or a hybrid of the two.  We can actually generate revenue (not profit) to help in acquiring new members.


Hopefully these will not only prove directly beneficial but also prompt some new ideas.

Larry


--=-OFWtkVd0yo4/HwrGa/zF-- From lou@lous-stuff.com Sat May 27 17:50:09 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from lous-stuff.com (lous-stuff.com [69.5.14.135]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B33EE37D70 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 17:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 17610 invoked from network); 27 May 2006 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from 72.153.73.194 ([72.153.73.194]) by lous-stuff.com ([69.5.14.135]) with ESMTP via TCP; 27 May 2006 18:15:58 -0000 Message-ID: <44789758.3070505@lous-stuff.com> From: lou User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [flux] Re: [SlamSpam] Possibly other reasons for decline in attendance? References: <20060526165121.60205.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com> <7BA08532-BC22-4F64-B642-FD80B907730E@usdtv.com> In-Reply-To: <7BA08532-BC22-4F64-B642-FD80B907730E@usdtv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat May 27 17:51:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:15:52 -0400 Adam Glass wrote: > It is very possible that meeting attendance declines as the number of > other resources goes up. What does that mean? Are meetings still > relevant? To whom? caution: long diatribe My $0.02: Yes, there is more information available via other resources on the 'net. So, I am a little more selective about meeting attendance probably due in part to the 30-40 minute drive. Not that it is not worth the effort most of the time but if the topic doesn't peek my interest, I don't come. Up until recently, I didn't know anyone there other than the person I usually drive down with. Most people there are networking with others that they know, so unless you are really outgoing or happen be next to someone who is outgoing, your only benefit is the evening's presentation. Many of us are hesitant to "bust in" to a small group. The fact that I am ancient doesn't help me either. Until I joined the study group, the only information I gained was from the presentations. I was active (on the board for 3 or 4 years) in a PC users group some 15 years ago and although it is apples and oranges, there are (IMHO) some parallels. That group was and still is a dues paying group, so membership size was more vital to the survival of the group. General meetings were open to the public but paying members got a newsletter, access to a bulletin board system (remember those?) at 300 bps, and were eligible for SIG's (special interest groups). In the early days, the novice group was a big draw. It was a classroom environment and taught basic PC skills (Windows was not popular yet). If you want to really test your patience, teach one of those. As time went on and Windows got popular, the group advanced but some things changed. For one, the average member .. er ... um.. matured. The focus moved to Windows and Windows applications more so than PC's. I moved on to OS/2 and wrote a column about it in the newsletter. I think my readership was one (me). I am NOT suggesting dues or a newsletter :) We found that a lot of people attended sporadically and never became dues paying members or joined in. It was a social night out for them. We also found that a lot of people joined but dropped out after a year or 2. Attendance at the monthly meetings was always pretty good, but many were first time attendees, coming with friends who had joined. I suspect that a lot of them didn't come back because they were looking for a free "school" to learn the basics. A key question became how to draw people in when they tired of the presentations (mostly vendors showing their wares and offering discounts and freebies for the drawings). We had occasional Q&A nights where a panel tried to answer questions from the crowd. The problem with this was the number of questions that had to do with applications, like Wordperfect and Wordstar (anyone remember that?). A couple of the things we did to try to maintain and increase membership (I moved from Treasurer to Membership Chairman). Again, it is apples to oranges, not all things are equal. I throw them in the pot anyway. We set up common interest sessions prior to the general meeting. Volunteers (again, that magic person) would set up tables at the meeting site, 30 minutes prior to the meeting and hold sessions on their topic. There was a group for general Windows, BB use (later Internet connection), PaintShop Pro, scanners (then digital camera's). This was a moving target depending on what was "hot" at the time. They now hold sessions about eBay and wireless networking and such. These sessions got so popular that it was sometimes difficult to shut them off to start the general meeting. Laptops were not popular yet, so volunteers hauled in desktops and CRT's for their sessions. We increased the focus on Special Interest Groups. These included a Windows group, a hardware group (come and build your own PC), an investment group (investment software), PaintShop Pro, etc, etc. These groups meet monthly, sometimes at someone's home, sometimes in places like the community center. Someone has to volunteer as the SIG leader. This is a similar concept to the current Certification study group. The leader (in our case Larry Kagan) maintains such things as scheduling of activities and keeps the group focused. The leader does not have to be the expert, he does have to be the administrator. We are lucky that Larry plays both roles with additional expertise provided by Kwan. I am a newcomer to Linux and trying to catch up but some things that might interest me: How about a Samba group, a server group, a firewall group? The obvious problems are where to do it and how to find the time. FLUX meetings: My guess would be that, if Linux usage increases FLUX attendance will increase. If it doesn't, then attendance will hold steady or decrease. I think you have to face the fact that Desktop Linux is not ready for Joe Six-Pack and may never be. With that in mind, I think the meeting focus should be as much (if not more) for people who are actively using Linux as opposed to those who want to start using and learning it. All I can input is what would draw me to meetings (from a presentation standpoint). Some random thoughts: Discussion/demo of common applications, moving from one OS to another requires moving to new applications. I threw money at this problem, I ran a lot of my old Windows programs in a VMWare session. The surprise there is how well a lot of that stuff does in a virtual machine. I am still running some while I look for some replacements. Perhaps a discussion of email clients. I presently use Thunderbird because I think it sucks less than the other Linux email programs I have tried. I guess that this gets as religious as editors. Maybe a discussion of editors. Especially for things like scripts. I still use UltraEdit in a W2K VMWare session. (sorry, Larry, I think VI sucks). I am well aware that my opinion is influenced by my ignorance. I am looking for a laptop wireless card with Linux drivers that will run it in promiscuous mode for Ethereal. Perhaps a demonstration of using Ethereal (or any sniffer) with Linux. Running Ethereal, I have shot several network problems (mostly caused by Windows systems with viruses) to get the culprit off the network. I would like to do this with wireless networks, and I would like more knowledge of filters. How about a demo on the use of some the tools that monitor/control system performance and are used for troubleshooting. Some of the stuff you experts use every day are new news to us newcomers. Things like hdparm, free, etc.(well, I already know those, how about others?). How to do some of the things available for Windows, like filemon, TCPView, ProcessMon, etc. from Sysinternals. Demo of the hows and whens of compiling programs/drivers for the current kernel or compiling the kernel to match some hardware in the machine. I still wear my SuSE hat, and I am running 10.0. I was a little disappointed when I saw what a small crowd we had. Oh yeah, last suggestion: move the meetings to Boca... :) I would like to add my thanks to Adam, Kwan, Larry and all the others who work to make the meetings a success. Lou From photoca@hotmail.com Sun May 28 15:54:23 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.158]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF2537D85 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BAY103-W5 ([65.54.174.105]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 28 May 2006 09:20:19 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [66.176.231.161] X-Originating-Email: [photoca@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Damian the photographer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2006 16:20:19.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CC66C50:01C68272] Subject: [SlamSpam] RE: SlamSpam digest, Vol 1 #6 - 2 msgs Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun May 28 15:55:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:20:19 -0400 I'm a big fan of Linux (since I first got my hands on it back in 1991) And I'm a HUGE fan on Asterisk and was definitely there to see Mark Present= at FLUX (thank's FLUX!) What about diversifying. Including an ASTERISK group into the great FLUX group. Maybe a subdomain as= terisk.flux.org We could have meetings, one after the other so as to share the resources _________________________________________________________________ Enter the Windows Live Mail beta sweepstakes http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx= From SRS0=yeL1Az=7S=donlaw.com=fluxdon@yourhostingaccount.com Tue May 30 01:47:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail37.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.37]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5598837D85 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from scan08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.238] helo=scan08.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Fktk4-0003ei-TU for slamspam@flux.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] ident=exim) by scan08.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1Fktk4-0006ez-Q9 for slamspam@flux.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] helo=authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Fktk4-0006ew-GC for slamspam@flux.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from c-67-191-14-151.hsd1.fl.comcast.net ([67.191.14.151] helo=[192.168.120.7]) by authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim) id 1Fktk4-000873-7y for slamspam@flux.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:13:56 -0400 Message-ID: <447BAA63.3060804@donlaw.com> From: Don Law User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 00916540e7d738a24a7ba965d8bca573:eb482232937e409c7149bc02336d19dd X-EN-AuthUser: poptest@salientsoftware.net Subject: [SlamSpam] What if newbies come? Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue May 30 01:48:00 2006 X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:13:55 -0400 Just thinking about the topic of the next meeting and the New Times article ... What if we get a group of people who read the New times and show up for the first time, looking for "the best place to get rid of Bill Gates?" I think we should have a plan to welcome them, give them a good introduction to Linux, and start them down the path to freedom that we all enjoy. I just don't want them to show up expecting a vibrant growing community of Linux users, a wave setting themselves free from the constraints of Redmond, and then get the impression that we as a group are fading away. I'd rather them get a good "Maddog Hall" style introduction to the world of open source. |) () |\| |_ /\ \/\/ From cheez@phreaker.net Tue May 30 04:19:42 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7957337D72 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([65.2.174.65]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060530044550.TEWM28702.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 00:45:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [65.2.174.65]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060530044550.PPEL20372.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 00:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: <447BCDDE.3060400@phreaker.net> From: Cheez Cake User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] What if newbies come? References: <447BAA63.3060804@donlaw.com> In-Reply-To: <447BAA63.3060804@donlaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue May 30 04:20:01 2006 X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:45:18 -0400 Hear, hear! The obstacle to linux adoption by the non-tech is the priesthood mentality that only the elite are fit to use this O.S. Take a crowd of folks willing to adopt new software, show them Ubuntu/Fedora/Mandrake, answer their questions and they're up and running. Plus we'll have a supply of n00bs (read: newbies) to revitalize us. =) A teacher without a student is a very sad thing indeed, -- Briam R. "Cheez Cake" Don Law wrote: > Just thinking about the topic of the next meeting and the New Times > article ... > > > What if we get a group of people who read the New times and show up > for the first time, looking for "the best place to get rid of Bill > Gates?" I think we should have a plan to welcome them, give them a > good introduction to Linux, and start them > down the path to freedom that we all enjoy. > > I just don't want them to show up expecting a vibrant growing > community of Linux users, a wave setting themselves free from the > constraints of Redmond, > and then get the impression that we as a group are fading away. I'd > rather > them get a good "Maddog Hall" style introduction to the world of open > source. > > |) () |\| |_ /\ \/\/ > > _______________________________________________ > SlamSpam mailing list > SlamSpam@flux.org > http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/slamspam > From dannyr@wirespring.com Tue May 30 14:52:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mail.wirespring.net (alita-alt.wirespring.net [64.192.158.46]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF4537D72 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:52:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (alita-int.wirespring.net [192.168.1.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.wirespring.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UFIsjc021809; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:18:55 -0400 Message-ID: <447C625E.7080200@wirespring.com> From: Danny Rathjens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060427 Debian/1.7.13-0ubuntu5.10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Subject: Re: [SlamSpam] What if newbies come? References: <447BAA63.3060804@donlaw.com> In-Reply-To: <447BAA63.3060804@donlaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue May 30 17:35:04 2006 X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:18:54 -0400 Getting newbies is good. But I think informing college students is a better way to go than that bastion of gossip and get-rich-quick scamvertisements that is the New Times. ;) I don't think an anti-Bill gates message is good, either. Don Law wrote: > Just thinking about the topic of the next meeting and the New Times > article ... > > > What if we get a group of people who read the New times and show up for > the first time, looking for "the best place to get rid of Bill Gates?" > I think we should have a plan to welcome them, give them a good > introduction to Linux, and start them > down the path to freedom that we all enjoy. > > I just don't want them to show up expecting a vibrant growing community > of Linux users, a wave setting themselves free from the constraints of > Redmond, > and then get the impression that we as a group are fading away. I'd rather > them get a good "Maddog Hall" style introduction to the world of open > source. > > |) () |\| |_ /\ \/\/ > > _______________________________________________ > SlamSpam mailing list > SlamSpam@flux.org > http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/slamspam > -- _.,-*~`^'~*-,._ Danny Rathjens _.,-*~`^'~*-,._ FireCast: Rock solid kiosk software: http://www.wirespring.com/ From dannyr@wirespring.com Tue May 30 15:01:48 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: slamspam@flux.org Received: from mail.wirespring.net (alita-alt.wirespring.net [64.192.158.46]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5A37D72 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (alita-int.wirespring.net [192.168.1.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.wirespring.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UFRxRS022201; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:59 -0400 Message-ID: <447C647F.2040201@wirespring.com> From: Danny Rathjens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060427 Debian/1.7.13-0ubuntu5.10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slamspam@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: [SlamSpam] flyer Sender: slamspam-admin@flux.org Errors-To: slamspam-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: slamspam@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slamspam@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussion about Florida's Slam Spam bill List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue May 30 17:35:04 2006 X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:59 -0400 How about making a flyer that current members can put on bulletin boards at college/school campuses, libraries, book stores. -- _.,-*~`^'~*-,._ Danny Rathjens _.,-*~`^'~*-,._ FireCast: Rock solid kiosk software: http://www.wirespring.com/ From flash@systemnews.com Wed May 31 22:06:07 2006 Return-Path: