From adam@usdtv.com Tue Mar 7 02:18:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDF937D70 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 02:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 6099 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2006 02:34:12 -0000 Received: from dsl092-213-153.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [10.0.0.101]) (billtcat@[66.92.213.153]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Mar 2006 02:34:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <031F3039-6CD5-4024-A74C-B368E3435CDA@usdtv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: cert@flux.org From: Adam Glass Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:34:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [Cert] Test post Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Can you hear me now? Good! --Adam -- Adam Glass US Digital TV adam@usdtv.com http://www.usdtv.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- FLUX : Florida Linux User Xchange -- http://www.flux.org -- From me@larrykagan.com Tue Mar 7 05:33:19 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-03.kattare.com (pyramid-03.kattare.com [65.212.180.92]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BC837D70 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:33:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (69-165-254-108.atlsfl.adelphia.net [69.165.254.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-03.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k275n1dg003431 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:49:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4BE97CB2-8909-49C1-B284-A986C0DDA924@larrykagan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: cert@flux.org From: Lawrence Kagan Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 00:48:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [Cert] Welcome! Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Gentlemen, Welcome to the Cert list at FLUX! I think our first order of business should be to decide which certification to get. I've always been partial to RedHat distros and the RHCE certification simply because of it's brand recognition among corporations. However, if we're all using different distros on laptops at the meetings, maybe we should consider one of the other distro-independent certs. The RHCE cost may be prohibitive to some so let's take a pole of who wants to pursue which certification and their reasons. The three that I know of are the RHCE, the Linux+ from CompTia and the LPI. As per training, I propose we each buy a copy of a single certification book and learn from the book. Books are cheap enough and we are all competent enough to help each other. This will keep the cost of learning very low. Please share your thoughts and preference as to which certification. Thanks, Larry From kwan@digitalhermit.com Thu Mar 16 20:09:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75B837D9C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:09:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2GKTTjV001370 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:29 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2GKTTaN001369; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [Cert] Posting Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: How many have signed up so far for this list? Any plans for which cert and how to go about preparation? -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From adam@usdtv.com Thu Mar 16 20:21:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36EB37D9C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:21:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 14386 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from adsl-072-149-060-119.sip.bct.bellsouth.net (HELO [192.168.1.68]) (billtcat@[72.149.60.119]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Mar 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:38:01 -0500 From: Adam Glass Organization: US Digital Television User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040906 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Subject: Re: [Cert] Posting References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: There are 16 people signed onto the list. Larry Kagan posted a message to get the ball rolling (see the list archive), but I haven't seen any discussion since. --Adam Adam Glass adam@usdtv.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Digital Television *TV>>*/for people/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FLUX: Florida Linux User Xchange Kwan Lowe wrote: >How many have signed up so far for this list? Any plans for which cert and how to >go about preparation? > > > From me@larrykagan.com Thu Mar 16 21:24:48 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-04.kattare.com (pyramid-04.kattare.com [65.212.180.79]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1619337D9C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:24:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.16.1.9] ([206.160.175.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-04.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2GLfkQO023029 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:41:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cert] Posting From: "Lawrence M. Kagan" To: cert@flux.org In-Reply-To: <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-EvRrG3TG1bOzpYw3Py41" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:37:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-EvRrG3TG1bOzpYw3Py41 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are 8 or 9 people that have confirmed with me that they want to be a part of this group. None of those people have posted to this list. I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm excited about this opportunity to learn from other members and publications but I feel others may not share my excitement. Anyway, we can start talking about plans. I suggest we go with a distro-independent cert like the Linux+ or the LPI. As far as preparation, I think once we agree on a cert, then we should agree on a standard study guide that we can purchase online. Then, we meet and assign a chapter(s) to each member. That member will then 'teach' the rest of us from that chapter in the next meeting. Much like a standard classroom/lab but with an alternating teacher. When I have a chance, I'll start comparing the objectives (and costs) of those two certs and put in my official vote. Thoughts anyone??????? Larry On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:38 -0500, Adam Glass wrote: > There are 16 people signed onto the list. Larry Kagan posted a message > to get the ball rolling (see the list archive), but I haven't seen any > discussion since. > > --Adam > > Adam Glass adam@usdtv.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > US Digital Television *TV>>*/for people/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FLUX: Florida Linux User Xchange > > > > Kwan Lowe wrote: > > >How many have signed up so far for this list? Any plans for which cert and how to > >go about preparation? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cert mailing list > Cert@flux.org > http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/cert --=-EvRrG3TG1bOzpYw3Py41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are 8 or 9 people that have confirmed with me that they want to be a part of this group.  None of those people have posted to this list.  I'm disappointed to say the least.  I'm excited about this opportunity to learn from other members and publications but I feel others may not share my excitement.

Anyway, we can start talking about plans.  I suggest we go with a distro-independent cert like the Linux+ or the LPI.  As far as preparation, I think once we agree on a cert, then we should agree on a standard study guide that we can purchase online.  Then, we meet and assign a chapter(s) to each member.  That member will then 'teach' the rest of us from that chapter in the next meeting.  Much like a standard classroom/lab but with an alternating teacher. 

When I have a chance, I'll start comparing the objectives (and costs) of those two certs and put in my official vote. 

Thoughts anyone???????

Larry



On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:38 -0500, Adam Glass wrote: 
There are 16 people signed onto the list.  Larry Kagan posted a message 
to get the ball rolling (see the list archive), but I haven't seen any 
discussion since.

--Adam

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--=-EvRrG3TG1bOzpYw3Py41-- From kwan@digitalhermit.com Thu Mar 16 21:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5737DA1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2GM1Wjj001795 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:32 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2GM1Wh2001794; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.201 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57800.12.43.115.201.1142546492.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Cert] Posting From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > There are 8 or 9 people that have confirmed with me that they want to be > a part of this group. None of those people have posted to this list. > I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm excited about this opportunity > to learn from other members and publications but I feel others may not > share my excitement. I'm ready to do this now and share your enthusiasm. If you want to meet up somewhere we can hammer out a schedule and plan. My suggestion is a coffee shop with comfortable chairs (the Roasted Bean is my favorite place), but anywere within a few miles of the Flux meeting place works for me. > Anyway, we can start talking about plans. I suggest we go with a > distro-independent cert like the Linux+ or the LPI. As far as > preparation, I think once we agree on a cert, then we should agree on a > standard study guide that we can purchase online. Then, we meet and > assign a chapter(s) to each member. That member will then 'teach' the > rest of us from that chapter in the next meeting. Much like a standard > classroom/lab but with an alternating teacher. This sounds good. I'll also re-submit my suggestion to use the material on the IBM Developerworks site as an adjunct to any text we choose. > When I have a chance, I'll start comparing the objectives (and costs) of > those two certs and put in my official vote. > > Thoughts anyone??????? Do you want to setup an initial meeting? Also, if everyone could chime in on their location and availability it could help with the initial scheduling. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From adam@usdtv.com Thu Mar 16 21:44:16 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D5937D9C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18581 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 22:01:15 -0000 Received: from adsl-072-149-060-119.sip.bct.bellsouth.net (HELO [192.168.1.68]) (billtcat@[72.149.60.119]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Mar 2006 22:01:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4419E02A.3030408@usdtv.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:14 -0500 From: Adam Glass Organization: US Digital Television User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040906 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Subject: Re: [Cert] Posting References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> <57800.12.43.115.201.1142546492.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <57800.12.43.115.201.1142546492.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: It may also help to know who is on the list as an active participant, planning to attend meetings and study for a cert, vs. who is here out of curiosity and perhaps to learn a thing or two. I'm in the latter category :) --Adam Adam Glass adam@usdtv.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Digital Television *TV>>*/for people/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FLUX: Florida Linux User Xchange Kwan Lowe wrote: >>There are 8 or 9 people that have confirmed with me that they want to be >>a part of this group. None of those people have posted to this list. >>I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm excited about this opportunity >>to learn from other members and publications but I feel others may not >>share my excitement. >> >> > >I'm ready to do this now and share your enthusiasm. If you want to meet up somewhere >we can hammer out a schedule and plan. My suggestion is a coffee shop with >comfortable chairs (the Roasted Bean is my favorite place), but anywere within a few >miles of the Flux meeting place works for me. > > > >>Anyway, we can start talking about plans. I suggest we go with a >>distro-independent cert like the Linux+ or the LPI. As far as >>preparation, I think once we agree on a cert, then we should agree on a >>standard study guide that we can purchase online. Then, we meet and >>assign a chapter(s) to each member. That member will then 'teach' the >>rest of us from that chapter in the next meeting. Much like a standard >>classroom/lab but with an alternating teacher. >> >> > >This sounds good. I'll also re-submit my suggestion to use the material on the IBM >Developerworks site as an adjunct to any text we choose. > > > >>When I have a chance, I'll start comparing the objectives (and costs) of >>those two certs and put in my official vote. >> >>Thoughts anyone??????? >> >> > >Do you want to setup an initial meeting? > >Also, if everyone could chime in on their location and availability it could help >with the initial scheduling. > > > From lou@lous-stuff.com Fri Mar 17 02:42:54 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64D337D9C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:42:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([72.144.121.213]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060317025953.ZZWO25507.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:59:53 -0500 Received: from [10.0.2.9] (really [72.144.121.213]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060317025952.ENQY13967.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@[10.0.2.9]> for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:59:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:59:57 -0500 From: Lou Yovin Organization: L&M X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1384146337.20060316215957@lous-stuff.com> To: "Lawrence M. Kagan" Subject: Re: [spam] Re: [Cert] Posting In-Reply-To: <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org X-Reply-To: lou List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Just home from Las Vegas tonight, but am still interested. Again, location and cost somewhat a factor. Got home just in time to see my SCSI drive head South with my SuSE partitions. Back to Windows until I install new drive and rebuild. Did a network support gig using Thinkpad with SuSE for first time (as opposed to Windows). Had to learn about dhcpct the hard way. One of the several reasons for my wanting to join this group (although I belong in the slow group :) Lou Thursday, March 16, 2006, 4:37:13 PM, you wrote: LMK> There are 8 or 9 people that have confirmed with me that they want to be LMK> a part of this group. None of those people have posted to this list. LMK> I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm excited about this opportunity LMK> to learn from other members and publications but I feel others may not LMK> share my excitement. LMK> Anyway, we can start talking about plans. I suggest we go with a LMK> distro-independent cert like the Linux+ or the LPI. As far as LMK> preparation, I think once we agree on a cert, then we should agree on a LMK> standard study guide that we can purchase online. Then, we meet and LMK> assign a chapter(s) to each member. That member will then 'teach' the LMK> rest of us from that chapter in the next meeting. Much like a standard LMK> classroom/lab but with an alternating teacher. LMK> When I have a chance, I'll start comparing the objectives (and costs) of LMK> those two certs and put in my official vote. LMK> Thoughts anyone??????? LMK> Larry LMK> On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 15:38 -0500, Adam Glass wrote: >> There are 16 people signed onto the list. Larry Kagan posted a message >> to get the ball rolling (see the list archive), but I haven't seen any >> discussion since. >> >> --Adam >> >> Adam Glass adam@usdtv.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> US Digital Television *TV>>*/for people/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> FLUX: Florida Linux User Xchange >> >> >> >> Kwan Lowe wrote: >> >> >How many have signed up so far for this list? Any plans for which cert and how to >> >go about preparation? >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Cert mailing list >> Cert@flux.org >> http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/cert -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." From cc@carlc.com Fri Mar 17 14:11:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from sv1.carlc.com (carlc.com [209.211.216.2]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 615A137D7C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:11:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 11542 invoked by uid 10000); 17 Mar 2006 14:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> References: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> In-Reply-To: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> From: "Carl C." To: cert@flux.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:27:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Cert] Re: Cert digest, Vol 1 #2 - 6 msgs Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I'm here... But in Digest mode... SO, I may have to switch OUT of digest mode if nothing goes on because you don't get squat until you have a few messages. I'm in... Let me know how/where/when. Adam - Next week - Lunch at Park Place? Carl From kwan@digitalhermit.com Fri Mar 17 15:28:43 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E2437D7C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:28:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2HFnE0Y006286 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:49:14 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2HFnE7S006285; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:49:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:49:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18145.12.43.115.17.1142610553.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> References: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > I'm in... Let me know how/where/when. My suggestions: The Roasted Bean at Flamingo/Pines Blvd in Pembroke Pines, Saturday morning, say 11:00'ish? There's also a coffee shop across from the Flux meeting site. I have not been there, but been wanting to try it out. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From me@larrykagan.com Fri Mar 17 16:46:33 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-02.kattare.com (pyramid-02.kattare.com [69.59.195.3]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B063337D7C for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.16.1.9] ([206.160.175.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-02.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2HH3ber019836 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:03:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions From: "Lawrence M. Kagan" To: cert@flux.org In-Reply-To: <18145.12.43.115.17.1142610553.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> References: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> <18145.12.43.115.17.1142610553.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-blpnJZ8zg1nz3wbhzg47" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:59:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-7) Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-blpnJZ8zg1nz3wbhzg47 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of us are very tight on time. Let's focus on being as efficient as possible. That being said, There's no need to meet in person until there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. Here's what I suggest: 1) Take a poll - Include in an email to the certification list, - Which certification you want. - What city you live in. - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives and cost. - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track. - Poll will end on March 24th. I will post the results at 5pm EST. 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. - Poll will end on March 31st at which time I will post the results. 3) Order the study guide. 4) Orientation meeting on Sunday, April 16th. (I prefer Saturdays but the 15th is tax day). - Exchange phone numbers - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book 5) First lab (date is open). This will be our first practical meeting at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters they agreed upon in the text. Please let me know your thoughts. If there are no disagreements, we will move forward with this plan. Thanks, Larry On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:49 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > I'm in... Let me know how/where/when. > > My suggestions: > The Roasted Bean at Flamingo/Pines Blvd in Pembroke Pines, Saturday morning, say > 11:00'ish? > > There's also a coffee shop across from the Flux meeting site. I have not been there, > but been wanting to try it out. > --=-blpnJZ8zg1nz3wbhzg47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of us are very tight on time.  Let's focus on being as efficient as possible.  That being said, There's no need to meet in person until there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. 

Here's what I suggest:

1) Take a poll
    - Include in an email to the certification list,
        - Which certification you want. 
        - What city you live in.
        - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings.
    - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives and cost. 
    - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track.
    - Poll will end on March 24th.  I will post the results at 5pm EST.

2) Take a poll on which text we want to use.
    - Poll will end on March 31st at which time I will post the results.

3) Order the study guide.

4)  Orientation meeting on Sunday, April 16th.  (I prefer Saturdays but the 15th is tax day).
    - Exchange phone numbers
    - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book

5) First lab (date is open).  This will be our first practical meeting at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters they agreed upon in the text.

Please let me know your thoughts.  If there are no disagreements, we will move forward with this plan.

Thanks,

Larry


On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:49 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: 
> I'm in... Let me know how/where/when.

My suggestions:
The Roasted Bean at Flamingo/Pines Blvd in Pembroke Pines, Saturday morning, say
11:00'ish?

There's also a coffee shop across from the Flux meeting site. I have not been there,
but been wanting to try it out.
--=-blpnJZ8zg1nz3wbhzg47-- From kwan@digitalhermit.com Fri Mar 17 18:18:48 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B037D70 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:18:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2HIdJfs006969 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:39:19 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2HIdJe0006968; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:39:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:39:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54791.12.43.115.17.1142620758.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> References: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> <18145.12.43.115.17.1142610553.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:39:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > Most of us are very tight on time. Let's focus on being as efficient as > possible. That being said, There's no need to meet in person until > there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. Looks good! (I get carried away when it comes to thinking of reasons to get coffee :D ). -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From kwan@digitalhermit.com Sun Mar 19 17:39:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B13237D9C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2JHxr2i005876 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:59:53 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2JHxqL4005875; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:59:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:59:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48537.192.168.8.28.1142791191.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Kwan Lowe" To: Cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [Cert] Texts Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I went to Barnes&Noble to check out texts on the LPI and RHCE. They had two books for the LPIC - One from Sybase and the other from ExamCram. The Sybase book was more in depth, going into TCP/IP and more detail. The ExamCram was cheaper and shorter. IMHO, the Sybase book was worth the extra $10. They are available at Amazon for $25.19 and $37.79. There was only one RHCE book by Mcgraw-Hill. It was a lot more in depth than the LPIC books. The material it covered included everything for the LPIC. However, some of the material seemed a little dated. There was not a whole lot on the newer LVM which I was looking for specifically. My thoughts are that it would be better to pick up a generic text (Running Linux by Matt Welsh comes to mind) and use the online material from IBM for the LPIC. For the RHCE, a dedicated book is good to have, but we would need to download the online manuals to really be complete. These are available in PDF form and I can pull them with one of my accounts if needed. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From johnlist@gulfbridge.net Sun Mar 19 19:11:45 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from gulfbridge.net (tiger.gulfbridge.net [64.34.165.33]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72EA37D9C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [216.78.207.5] (adsl-216-078-207-005.sip.sdf.bellsouth.net [216.78.207.5]) by gulfbridge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985DED0542 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:29:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <441DB0FF.3000002@gulfbridge.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:29:03 -0500 From: John Hicks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> <57800.12.43.115.201.1142546492.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419E02A.3030408@usdtv.com> In-Reply-To: <4419E02A.3030408@usdtv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Cert] Checking In Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > Kwan Lowe wrote: >> Do you want to setup an initial meeting? >> >> Also, if everyone could chime in on their location and availability it >> could help >> with the initial scheduling. >> Adam Glass wrote: > It may also help to know who is on the list as an active participant, > planning to attend meetings and study for a cert, vs. who is here out of > curiosity and perhaps to learn a thing or two. > > I'm in the latter category :) > Well, I guess I'd better check in. I'm in Kentucky for the forseeable future and so won't be able to make any meetings. I've had "certifications" on my to-do list for a number of years but have never quite moved it to the top. Other commitments (earning a living, family matters, personal matters) have crowded it out. I signed up for the list with the hope that being a part of the group might give me the incentive to make the time to make some progress in this area. There might be something to be said for requiring a certain commitment from each member in order to be able to stay on the list. I know it can be discouraging to be part of a group where everyone seems to be shirking responsibility. I'll wait and see what the rest of the list says. If we are all overcommitted, the solution might be to adopt a slower pace. But if you can identify four or five who are ready to go for it at a faster pace, then don't let the rest of us slow you down. As far as what I can contribute, I can think of two things: --I'm not a pure geek, but I have a varied background in mainframes, some Netware, and DOS (mainly pre-Windows), and have been working with RedHat Linux since 1999. The mix might be a little help (or it might be distracting). --I run my own webserver, host a number of sites with my own CMS, and am interested in the general area of online commmunities and collaboration. I can set up a site for the group in no time using my CMS, giving each of you a login. Plus, if you know of some good collaboration software, I would be amenable to installing it and making it available to the group. (Of course, in this group I realize this is like offering to bring some extra sand to the beach party. :) FWIW, my server is RHES 4. Since it's a production server and my livlihood depends on it, I won't be able to give out root logins or anything, but it's available as a resource if we need to compare different distributions or versions. OK, so far we've heard from: --Larry Kagan --Kwan Lowe --Adam Glass --and me, John Hicks That leaves 12 more of us who haven't checked in. Where do the rest of you stand? Regards, John From kwan@digitalhermit.com Sun Mar 19 19:20:57 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2653D37D9C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2JJfdrL006211 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:41:39 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2JJfdaX006210; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:41:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:41:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49863.192.168.8.28.1142797298.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <441DB0FF.3000002@gulfbridge.net> References: <22748.12.43.115.17.1142540968.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419CCA9.2040905@usdtv.com> <1142545033.6924.31.camel@xandir> <57800.12.43.115.201.1142546492.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <4419E02A.3030408@usdtv.com> <441DB0FF.3000002@gulfbridge.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:41:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Cert] Checking In From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > FWIW, my server is RHES 4. Since it's a production server and my > livlihood depends on it, I won't be able to give out root logins or > anything, but it's available as a resource if we need to compare > different distributions or versions. I can provide an Internet accessible RHES4 installation (VMWare instance) also. Sounds like it's picking up :D -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From cc@carlc.com Mon Mar 20 12:35:03 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from sv1.carlc.com (carlc.com [209.211.216.2]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09D0037DA1 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:35:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 29192 invoked by uid 10000); 20 Mar 2006 12:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060320125229.29191.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> References: <20060320120003.29938.75356.Mailman@flux.org> In-Reply-To: <20060320120003.29938.75356.Mailman@flux.org> From: "Carl C." To: cert@flux.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:52:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Cert] Re: Cert digest, Vol 1 #4 - 3 msgs Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: cert-request@flux.org writes: > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:29:03 -0500 > From: John Hicks > > OK, so far we've heard from: > > --Larry Kagan > --Kwan Lowe > --Adam Glass > --and me, John Hicks John - Gee, what am I? Chopped Liver? Carl From johnlist@gulfbridge.net Mon Mar 20 16:03:05 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from gulfbridge.net (tiger.gulfbridge.net [64.34.165.33]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE95837D9C for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:03:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [216.78.207.5] (adsl-216-078-207-005.sip.sdf.bellsouth.net [216.78.207.5]) by gulfbridge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2999AD0516 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <441ED64D.5000101@gulfbridge.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:20:29 -0500 From: John Hicks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Subject: Re: [Cert] Revised roll call (Apologies to Carl and Lou) References: <20060320120003.29938.75356.Mailman@flux.org> <20060320125229.29191.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> In-Reply-To: <20060320125229.29191.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Carl C. wrote: > cert-request@flux.org writes: > >> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:29:03 -0500 >> From: John Hicks >> >> OK, so far we've heard from: >> --Larry Kagan >> --Kwan Lowe >> --Adam Glass >> --and me, John Hicks > > > John - Gee, what am I? Chopped Liver? > Carl Oops! Sorry about that Carl. I just checked the archive and saw your message and several others I missed. But I'm very happy to see you aboard. It looks like there will be a good core group. Looks like I also missed a post by Lou Yovin. (My apologies to Lou also.) I also missed Larry's post on Friday where he a proposes a plan of action. So the revised roll call is: --Larry Kagan --Kwan Lowe --Carl Couric --Lou Yovin --Adam Glass --John Hicks [Now, I'll have to go to work with that dandy RHES4 server of mine to see why I missed three posts: I've checked my Thunderbird "Junk" folder and it doesn't appear that they were sent there by its Bayesian spam filter. I use Thunderbird on Windows, which occasionally hangs up and has to be halted, so they could have gotten swallowed in the process of halting. I'll check the maillog on my server. If they don't appear there, I'll get in touch with Adam to see if I am on Flux's mailman bounce log.] --John From kwan@digitalhermit.com Fri Mar 24 18:41:57 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C245337D8A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2OJ2xj4030412 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:59 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2OJ2xQL030411; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.206 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [Cert] Poll Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: 1) Take a poll - Include in an email to the certification list, - Which certification you want. - What city you live in. - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. LPI - This is motivated only by the cost of the certification as I think the RedHat cert is more practical. Maybe the RHCE can be the next goal. Pembroke Pines Bi-weekly meetings, 2 hours in length, 10:00AM (preferably at a coffee shop) 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. Running Linux (Matt Welsh) with supplemental material from IBM DevWorks -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From me@larrykagan.com Fri Mar 24 22:04:54 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-03.kattare.com (pyramid-03.kattare.com [65.212.180.92]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130D337D8A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (69-165-254-108.atlsfl.adelphia.net [69.165.254.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-03.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2OMMi2x018508 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:22:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cert] Poll From: Lawrence Kagan To: cert@flux.org In-Reply-To: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> References: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-0dXKbJgJ9+6qZCQInMvy" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:22:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-0dXKbJgJ9+6qZCQInMvy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kwan, You're the only one that replied to the poll. I sent in my reply earlier with the pdf objectives of the Linux+ and the LPI attached and that didn't get through. It's funny, my requested times were biweekly at 10:30 on Saturdays for 2 hours. However, I chose the Linux+. But to be honest, I can go either way. Unfortunately, I don't see this going any further. It doesn't seem there's enough motivation. Unless of course my email wasn't the only one that didn't get through. To be clear, I will not be following through with the group certification unless there is regained group interest in the future. Larry On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:02 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: > 1) Take a poll > - Include in an email to the certification list, > - Which certification you want. > - What city you live in. > - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. > > LPI - This is motivated only by the cost of the certification as I think the RedHat > cert is more practical. Maybe the RHCE can be the next goal. > > Pembroke Pines > > Bi-weekly meetings, 2 hours in length, 10:00AM (preferably at a coffee shop) > > 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. > > Running Linux (Matt Welsh) with supplemental material from IBM DevWorks > > --=-0dXKbJgJ9+6qZCQInMvy Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kwan,

You're the only one that replied to the poll.  I sent in my reply earlier with the pdf objectives of the Linux+ and the LPI attached and that didn't get through.  It's funny, my requested times were biweekly at 10:30 on Saturdays for 2 hours.  However, I chose the Linux+.  But to be honest, I can go either way.  Unfortunately, I don't see this going any further.  It doesn't seem there's enough motivation.  Unless of course my email wasn't the only one that didn't get through.

To be clear, I will not be following through with the group certification unless there is regained group interest in the future.

Larry


On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:02 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: 
1) Take a poll
    - Include in an email to the certification list,
        - Which certification you want.
        - What city you live in.
        - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings.

LPI - This is motivated only by the cost of the certification as I think the RedHat
cert is more practical.  Maybe the RHCE can be the next goal.

Pembroke Pines

Bi-weekly meetings, 2 hours in length, 10:00AM (preferably at a coffee shop)

2) Take a poll on which text we want to use.

Running Linux (Matt Welsh) with supplemental material from IBM DevWorks
--=-0dXKbJgJ9+6qZCQInMvy-- From kwan@digitalhermit.com Fri Mar 24 23:08:02 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589637D8A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2ONT9qr031354 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:29:09 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2ONT9MV031353; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:29:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49224.192.168.8.28.1143242948.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:29:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Cert] Poll From: "Kwan Lowe" To: cert@flux.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > You're the only one that replied to the poll. I sent in my reply > earlier with the pdf objectives of the Linux+ and the LPI attached and > that didn't get through. It's funny, my requested times were biweekly > at 10:30 on Saturdays for 2 hours. However, I chose the Linux+. But to > be honest, I can go either way. Unfortunately, I don't see this going > any further. It doesn't seem there's enough motivation. Unless of > course my email wasn't the only one that didn't get through. > > To be clear, I will not be following through with the group > certification unless there is regained group interest in the future. This is a shame... I'm going to get the cert soon. I've been looking over the material and it's not difficult at all. Studying is not a big deal for me, but it's a lot more fun when a few folks get together to do it. I hope everyone who's still interested speaks up, -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com From adam@usdtv.com Fri Mar 24 23:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from alexandria.usdtv.net (alexandria.usdtv.net [216.190.34.15]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE2637D8A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 29014 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 23:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (adam.glass@usdtv.com@69.88.71.10) by alexandria.usdtv.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 23:57:18 -0000 Message-ID: <44248702.1060600@usdtv.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:55:46 -0700 From: Adam Glass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Subject: Re: [Cert] Poll References: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Status: CLEAN Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Larry, what was the error message when your post didn't get through? It may be stuck waiting for moderator approval due to the PDF attachment. I have been slammed at work and am traveling, so it's been a while since I got to the moderator approval. Usually posts waiting for approval are 100% spam, but in rare cases a legitimate post is in there. I'll try to get that done tonight. --Adam Lawrence Kagan wrote: > Kwan, > > You're the only one that replied to the poll. I sent in my reply > earlier with the pdf objectives of the Linux+ and the LPI attached and > that didn't get through. It's funny, my requested times were biweekly > at 10:30 on Saturdays for 2 hours. However, I chose the Linux+. But > to be honest, I can go either way. Unfortunately, I don't see this > going any further. It doesn't seem there's enough motivation. Unless > of course my email wasn't the only one that didn't get through. > > To be clear, I will not be following through with the group > certification unless there is regained group interest in the future. > > Larry > > > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:02 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>1) Take a poll >> - Include in an email to the certification list, >> - Which certification you want. >> - What city you live in. >> - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. >> >>LPI - This is motivated only by the cost of the certification as I think the RedHat >>cert is more practical. Maybe the RHCE can be the next goal. >> >>Pembroke Pines >> >>Bi-weekly meetings, 2 hours in length, 10:00AM (preferably at a coffee shop) >> >>2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. >> >>Running Linux (Matt Welsh) with supplemental material from IBM DevWorks >> >> >> >> From lou@lous-stuff.com Sat Mar 25 01:37:01 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from lous-stuff.com (lous-stuff.com [69.5.14.135]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 603A837D8A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:37:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 5960 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from 65.11.24.213 ([65.11.24.213]) by lous-stuff.com ([69.5.14.135]) with ESMTP via TCP; 25 Mar 2006 01:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4424A2FE.3020401@lous-stuff.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:55:10 -0500 From: lou User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Subject: Re: [Cert] Poll References: <57883.12.43.115.206.1143226978.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Lawrence Kagan wrote: > Kwan, > > You're the only one that replied to the poll. I sent in my reply > earlier with the pdf objectives of the Linux+ and the LPI attached and > that didn't get through. It's funny, my requested times were biweekly > at 10:30 on Saturdays for 2 hours. However, I chose the Linux+. But to > be honest, I can go either way. Unfortunately, I don't see this going > any further. It doesn't seem there's enough motivation. Unless of > course my email wasn't the only one that didn't get through. > > To be clear, I will not be following through with the group > certification unless there is regained group interest in the future. > > Larry > > > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:02 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> 1) Take a poll >> - Include in an email to the certification list, >> - Which certification you want. >> - What city you live in. >> - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. >> >> LPI - This is motivated only by the cost of the certification as I think the RedHat >> cert is more practical. Maybe the RHCE can be the next goal. >> >> Pembroke Pines >> >> Bi-weekly meetings, 2 hours in length, 10:00AM (preferably at a coffee shop) >> >> 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. >> >> Running Linux (Matt Welsh) with supplemental material from IBM DevWorks Well, I don't recall getting a message about the poll. Bi weekly is fine, I live in Boca Raton and can adjust to almost any schedule (after April 16th). I will leave book selection and certification choice to those more knowledgeable. Sorry if I junked a good message. Lou Just home from a day in Miami arguing with Windows server 2003 (I lost). From roach.michael@gmail.com Sat Mar 25 12:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7327937D90 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so712465wxd for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:28:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:sender; b=NM0Ur/WU0EE7CMzNb4dheyrFjoPFJbbjF6Apch2YVHhryr2AVIqyYi+ZbtXKHlfFtpnHWIIw4OG2X4/PttMaDWshOG6iK1B/XyzKa4YzTZ20VpP15uz3KMoL8deHThDw8goTAV9ED4m3SL/Axph4F1Y9qivY/9riNDqIUeR9fO0= Received: by 10.70.77.15 with SMTP id z15mr2609053wxa; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from michaelb2e4gy8 ( [66.176.146.175]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h17sm1106448wxd.2006.03.25.04.28.30; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Roach" To: Subject: RE: [Cert] Poll Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:28:39 -0500 Organization: Open Source Methods Message-ID: <000c01c65007$a7180440$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C64FDD.BE41FC40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1143238961.21045.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org X-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C64FDD.BE41FC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry, Didn't you get my reply? I had trouble mailing the list itself so I mailed you off-list (at least, if no over, a week ago) with my poll answers. Note that if this message appears on the list, I've fixed my settings and corrected my e-mail difficulties. -- MIKE ROACH 954-478-9678 Open Source Methods 815 SW 30TH ST unit P FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33315 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C64FDD.BE41FC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Larry,
 
Didn't you get my reply? I had trouble mailing the list itself = so I=20 mailed you off-list (at least, if no over, a week ago) with my poll=20 answers.
 
Note that if this message appears on the list, I've fixed my = settings and=20 corrected my e-mail difficulties.
 
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MIKE=20 ROACH           &n= bsp;      =20 954-478-9678
Open Source Methods
815 SW 30TH ST unit P
FORT = LAUDERDALE,=20 FL  33315
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C64FDD.BE41FC40-- From me@larrykagan.com Sat Mar 25 12:27:29 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-01.kattare.com (pyramid-01.kattare.com [69.59.195.20]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE5437D8A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (69-165-254-108.atlsfl.adelphia.net [69.165.254.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-01.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2PCjUOr009414 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:45:31 -0800 Subject: RE: [Cert] Poll From: Lawrence Kagan To: cert@flux.org In-Reply-To: <000c01c65007$a7180440$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> References: <000c01c65007$a7180440$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-j+XSfLKlRzeEu7ujmqKq" Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:45:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1143290728.5470.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-j+XSfLKlRzeEu7ujmqKq Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to see there's still interest. Adam, I had no bounce or indication of any mail error with the exception that the email simply didn't show up on the list. Mike, I forgot to check my personal email for poll results. Below is a copy of your email for the rest of the list's reference. As far as you being out of town often, I don't see that as being an issue at all. If we all use the same text, you can still be with the group. I'm going to re-post the poll in a separate email. I'll also post links to the exam objectives. If it's okay with everyone else, I'd like to extend the dates one more week. Thanks, Larry Hi Larry, I sent a post to the list about a half hour ago. I thought the list wasn't moderated. I'd have thought the message would have appeared by now. At any rate, regarding the polls: I'm interested in a generic certification such as Linux+ or the LPI. There's a new edition of an O'Reilly book, "LPI Certification in a Nutshell" (last edition published in 2001), coming out on June 1. That's a bit late for us so maybe the LPI should be skipped: textbook changes are driven by changes in the test. I live in Fort Lauderdale. I don't care where we meet. I'm out of town on business about one week in four, though this month has been particularly bad: I was gone last week and leaving again next week. I'm home every weekend so weekends are generally good for me. I'm open to evening meetings, though Tuesday and Saturday nights are out for me. I like to be in bed by 10:30PM. I think meetings on work nights should last no more than 1.5 hours. On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 07:28 -0500, Michael Roach wrote: > Larry, > > Didn't you get my reply? I had trouble mailing the list itself so I > mailed you off-list (at least, if no over, a week ago) with my poll > answers. > > Note that if this message appears on the list, I've fixed my settings > and corrected my e-mail difficulties. > > -- > MIKE ROACH 954-478-9678 > Open Source Methods > 815 SW 30TH ST unit P > FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 33315 --=-j+XSfLKlRzeEu7ujmqKq Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message Glad to see there's still interest. 

Adam, I had no bounce or indication of any mail error with the exception that the email simply didn't show up on the list.

Mike, I forgot to check my personal email for poll results.  Below is a copy of your email for the rest of the list's reference.  As far as you being out of town often, I don't see that as being an issue at all.  If we all use the same text, you can still be with the group.

I'm going to re-post the poll in a separate email.  I'll also post links to the exam objectives. If it's okay with everyone else, I'd like to extend the dates one more week.

Thanks,

Larry

Hi Larry,

I sent a post to the list about a half hour ago. I thought the list
wasn't moderated. I'd have thought the message would have appeared by
now.

At any rate, regarding the polls:

I'm interested in a generic certification such as Linux+ or the LPI.
There's a new edition of an O'Reilly book, "LPI Certification in a
Nutshell" (last edition published in 2001), coming out on June 1.
That's a bit late for us so maybe the LPI should be skipped: textbook
changes are driven by changes in the test.

I live in Fort Lauderdale.

I don't care where we meet.

I'm out of town on business about one week in four, though this month
has been particularly bad: I was gone last week and leaving again next
week. I'm home every weekend so weekends are generally good for me.
I'm open to evening meetings, though Tuesday and Saturday nights are
out for me. I like to be in bed by 10:30PM. I think meetings on work
nights should last no more than 1.5 hours.

On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 07:28 -0500, Michael Roach wrote:
Larry,
 
Didn't you get my reply? I had trouble mailing the list itself so I mailed you off-list (at least, if no over, a week ago) with my poll answers.
 
Note that if this message appears on the list, I've fixed my settings and corrected my e-mail difficulties.
 
--
MIKE ROACH                   954-478-9678
Open Source Methods
815 SW 30TH ST unit P
FORT LAUDERDALE, FL  33315
--=-j+XSfLKlRzeEu7ujmqKq-- From me@larrykagan.com Sat Mar 25 12:45:59 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-04.kattare.com (pyramid-04.kattare.com [65.212.180.79]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C6637D8A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:45:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (69-165-254-108.atlsfl.adelphia.net [69.165.254.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-04.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2PD40Wd028319 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:04:01 -0800 From: Lawrence Kagan To: cert@flux.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-ZuRcO/MP9t+Q3add3jsC" Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:03:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1143291838.5470.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Subject: [Cert] "The Poll" Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-ZuRcO/MP9t+Q3add3jsC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of us are very tight on time. Let's focus on being as efficient as possible. That being said, There's no need to meet in person until there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. Here's what I suggest: 1) Take a poll - Include in an email to the certification list, - Which certification you want. - What city you live in. - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives and cost. - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track. - Poll will end on Friday, March 31st at 5pm. I will post the results that following weekend. 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. - Poll will end on Friday, Aprili 7th at which time I will post the results that following weekend. 3) Order the study guide. 4) Orientation meeting on Saturday, April 22th. - Exchange phone numbers - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book 5) First lab (date is open). This will be our first practical meeting at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters they agreed upon in the text. Links to cert info: LPI: http://www.lpi.org/en/home.html Linux+: http://comptia.org/certification/linux/?nav=quick RHCE: https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/ Thanks, Larry --=-ZuRcO/MP9t+Q3add3jsC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of us are very tight on time.  Let's focus on being as efficient as 
possible.  That being said, There's no need to meet in person until
there is a plan and part of that plan requires research.  

Here's what I suggest:

1) Take a poll 
    - Include in an email to the certification list, 
        - Which certification you want.  
        - What city you live in.
        - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings.
    - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives and
cost.  
    - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track.
    - Poll will end on Friday, March 31st at 5pm.  I will post the results that 
	following weekend.

2) Take a poll on which text we want to use.
    - Poll will end on Friday, Aprili 7th at which time I will post the results that 
	following weekend.

3) Order the study guide.

4)  Orientation meeting on Saturday, April 22th. 
    - Exchange phone numbers
    - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book

5) First lab (date is open).  This will be our first practical meeting
at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters
they agreed upon in the text.

Links to cert info:

LPI: http://www.lpi.org/en/home.html
Linux+: http://comptia.org/certification/linux/?nav=quick
RHCE: https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/

Thanks,

Larry
--=-ZuRcO/MP9t+Q3add3jsC-- From johnlist@gulfbridge.net Sat Mar 25 19:37:50 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from gulfbridge.net (tiger.gulfbridge.net [64.34.165.33]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2946A37D8A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [216.78.207.5] (adsl-216-078-207-005.sip.sdf.bellsouth.net [216.78.207.5]) by gulfbridge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23158D0525; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:55:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4425A044.8090703@gulfbridge.net> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:55:48 -0500 From: John Hicks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Cc: "Carl C." Subject: Re: [Cert] Poll References: <000c01c65007$a7180440$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> <1143290728.5470.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1143290728.5470.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Lawrence Kagan wrote: > Glad to see there's still interest. > > Adam, I had no bounce or indication of any mail error with the exception > that the email simply didn't show up on the list. > Since I had posted earlier about missing some messages from the list, I thought I had better chime in and reassure you that the problem in my case was not with the listserver. Apparently my In Box had maxed out at 50MB and I was receiving new mail only as I deleted old mail! But today, after looking again at the archive for a lost "poll" message, I conclude that *this* case is a simple problem in human communication: Larry's poll was contained in his proposal of Mar 17 http://www.flux.org/pipermail/cert/2006-March/000010.html which included a schedule etc., at the conclusion of which he asked if we concurred with his plan. This message was part of a thread started by Carl C and relabeled by Kwan, so it may have received less attention not being at the head of a thread. See http://www.flux.org/pipermail/cert/2006-March/thread.html#start I guess I was expecting Larry's plan to be adopted and, only then, for him to follow up with a message formally labelled "poll". But then that's probably a bit legalistic of me :) The moral of it all is that it's better to err on the side of overcommunication rather than risk undercommunication. Also, for whenever you find yourself discouraged by a group's interest, let me paraphrase Hanlan's Razor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_Razor: John's Razor: "Never attribute to apathy or disinterest that which is adequately explained by a failure to understand what was communicated." So we are all here (in cyberspace at least) and interested and engaged. (I'm sure Carl will check in as soon as he reads his next digest. :) Revised revised roster (compiled by me and based solely on the posts I've seen on the list): -Larry Kagan -Kwan Lowe -Carl Couric -Lou Yovin -Michael Roach -Adam Glass -John Hicks I think Adam has said he is here ex officio and may not be fully participating. I am in Kentucky for a number of months and will be unable to attend any meetings (unless maybe by Skype?), so I can be classified as a (rather vocal) lurker and don't believe I should vote in the poll. That leaves 5 core members. It would be better to have ten of course, since there will be weeks when only half will show up. But five is nice and will suffice. :) Regards, --John From cc@carlc.com Mon Mar 27 15:23:25 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from sv1.carlc.com (carlc.com [209.211.216.2]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B322837D90 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 5989 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2006 15:41:44 -0000 Received: from n90.fhp-mfg.com (HELO FHRCC) (65.124.207.90) by carlc.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2006 15:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c651b5$95d7dc00$13942c0a@fhpmfg.com> From: "Carl C." To: References: <20060326120004.23443.5912.Mailman@flux.org> Subject: Re: [Cert] "The Poll" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lawrence Kagan > > 1) Take a poll > - Include in an email to the certification list, > - Which certification you want. I'm open here on this. I would like various Network/Linux certs, I'm not stuck to an "ideal" cert. I do feel that as I work on the certs, I will pick up more info on the various distro involved. > - What city you live in. Davie, Fl. > - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. What ever is needed to get it done. Carl From adam@usdtv.com Tue Mar 28 03:04:33 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from alexandria.usdtv.net (alexandria.usdtv.net [216.190.34.15]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF8637D7C for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:04:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 27519 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 03:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (adam.glass@usdtv.com@209.193.74.221) by alexandria.usdtv.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 03:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4428AC0D.8020804@usdtv.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:22:53 -0700 From: Adam Glass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cert@flux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Status: CLEAN Subject: [Cert] Missing messages Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Still on the road (and using Windoze because the hotel wireless requires IE to sign on), and finally had a chance to look into the missing messages. There were two, and both will be posted after I write this. Here's what they say in the admin interface... *From:* me@larrykagan.com *Subject:* Re: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions *Reason:* Message body is too big: 282102 bytes but there's a limit of 40 KB *From:* roach.michael@gmail.com *Subject:* RE: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions *Reason:* Post by non-member to a members-only list To reiterate, the list is unmoderated. Thanks! --Adam From roach.michael@gmail.com Sat Mar 18 00:15:42 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7595937D7C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so640322wri for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:32:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:in-reply-to:importance:x-mimeole; b=hieaNuVEVYJAZ7dE24dphL9BHWyfudPpGQr1D6YApXPMlvqS01iad2BnPM+A9GMEj5Z+oPJfkjMYcwuu2+IeJYQsdYrR/555/53fI1Ml8MQvIbavLp0gO93ov5bRs0Rt5mEJuKvcX8wycJOu2mEcnS5Ku2BAHKHPSpaEmjfV2tY= Received: by 10.54.102.11 with SMTP id z11mr781014wrb; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from michaelb2e4gy8 ( [66.176.146.175]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 29sm1896676wrl.2006.03.17.16.32.45; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Roach" To: Subject: RE: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:32:48 -0500 Organization: Open Source Methods Message-ID: <000e01c64a23$7c4b2c90$af92b042@michaelb2e4gy8> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org X-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Gang ... No thoughts about the group, just my answers to the poll. > 1) Take a poll > - Include in an email to the certification list, > - Which certification you want. Something generic such as Linux+ or LPI. The new edition of LPI Certification in a Nutshell won't be published until June 1 and the (current? Prior?) edition was published in 2001, so maybe we should avoid the LPI for now. Changes to a textbook indicates changes to the test. (Hey, was that a thought?) > - What city you live in. Fort Lauderdale > - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. Tuesday and Saturday evenings are out for me. I also spend about one week in four out of town on business. (This month has been tough; I was gone last week and I'm leaving again next week.) I think meetings, especially those after a work day, should be scheduled for no more than 1.5 hours. Otherwise I'm open. > 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. I've always been partial to O'Reilly and SAMS. From me@larrykagan.com Fri Mar 24 13:41:36 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cert@flux.org Received: from pyramid-03.kattare.com (pyramid-03.kattare.com [65.212.180.92]) by www.flux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA50F37D85 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:41:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (69-165-254-108.atlsfl.adelphia.net [69.165.254.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by pyramid-03.kattare.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k2ODxKqq012800 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:59:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cert] Initial kickoff meeting suggestions From: Lawrence Kagan To: cert@flux.org In-Reply-To: <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> References: <20060317120005.23336.27841.Mailman@flux.org> <20060317142807.11540.qmail@sv1.carlc.com> <18145.12.43.115.17.1142610553.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <1142614743.8656.30.camel@xandir> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-+jYTMEgKBmrRKPJ3+j7h" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:59:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1143208757.21045.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Sender: cert-admin@flux.org Errors-To: cert-admin@flux.org X-BeenThere: cert@flux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cert@flux.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Certification Study and Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --=-+jYTMEgKBmrRKPJ3+j7h Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-5ymy6VVJUGQE95H4Tl9a" --=-5ymy6VVJUGQE95H4Tl9a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today at 5 is the deadline for the poll. After a quick review of the list, I have zero contributions. Please either post your opinions to the poll or let me know why you haven't yet. I'd like to know why no one has contributed thus far. Is it because we're all very busy? Is it because we're not sure we can commit to the group? This information will help me in future group coordination activities. Attached are the objectives for the Network+ and LPI. Also here is my entry for the poll: Cert: Linux+ City: Boca Raton Meetings: Every other Saturday at 10:30 am for 2 hours. Thanks, Larry On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 11:59 -0500, Lawrence M. Kagan wrote: > Most of us are very tight on time. Let's focus on being as efficient > as possible. That being said, There's no need to meet in person until > there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. > > Here's what I suggest: > > 1) Take a poll > - Include in an email to the certification list, > - Which certification you want. > - What city you live in. > - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings. > - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives > and cost. > - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track. > - Poll will end on March 24th. I will post the results at 5pm > EST. > > 2) Take a poll on which text we want to use. > - Poll will end on March 31st at which time I will post the > results. > > 3) Order the study guide. > > 4) Orientation meeting on Sunday, April 16th. (I prefer Saturdays > but the 15th is tax day). > - Exchange phone numbers > - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book > > 5) First lab (date is open). This will be our first practical meeting > at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters > they agreed upon in the text. > > Please let me know your thoughts. If there are no disagreements, we > will move forward with this plan. > > Thanks, > > Larry > > > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:49 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > > I'm in... Let me know how/where/when. > > > > My suggestions: > > The Roasted Bean at Flamingo/Pines Blvd in Pembroke Pines, Saturday morning, say > > 11:00'ish? > > > > There's also a coffee shop across from the Flux meeting site. I have not been there, > > but been wanting to try it out. > > --=-5ymy6VVJUGQE95H4Tl9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today at 5 is the deadline for the poll.  After a quick review of the list, I have zero contributions.  Please either post your opinions to the poll or let me know why you haven't yet.  I'd like to know why no one has contributed thus far.  Is it because we're all very busy?  Is it because we're not sure we can commit to the group?  This information will help me in future group coordination activities.

Attached are the objectives for the Network+ and LPI.

Also here is my entry for the poll:
Cert: Linux+
City: Boca Raton
Meetings: Every other Saturday at 10:30 am for 2 hours.

Thanks,

Larry


On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 11:59 -0500, Lawrence M. Kagan wrote:
Most of us are very tight on time.  Let's focus on being as efficient as possible.  That being said, There's no need to meet in person until there is a plan and part of that plan requires research. 

Here's what I suggest:

1) Take a poll
    - Include in an email to the certification list,
        - Which certification you want. 
        - What city you live in.
        - Ideal time, length of time and frequency of meetings.
    - Allow one week for members to research and compare objectives and cost. 
    - Everyone submits their choice to the list and I'll keep track.
    - Poll will end on March 24th.  I will post the results at 5pm EST.

2) Take a poll on which text we want to use.
    - Poll will end on March 31st at which time I will post the results.

3) Order the study guide.

4)  Orientation meeting on Sunday, April 16th.  (I prefer Saturdays but the 15th is tax day).
    - Exchange phone numbers
    - Talk about who wants to present which chapters in the book

5) First lab (date is open).  This will be our first practical meeting at which member(s) will instruct the rest of the group on the chapters they agreed upon in the text.

Please let me know your thoughts.  If there are no disagreements, we will move forward with this plan.

Thanks,

Larry


On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:49 -0500, Kwan Lowe wrote: 
> I'm in... Let me know how/where/when.

My suggestions:
The Roasted Bean at Flamingo/Pines Blvd in Pembroke Pines, Saturday morning, say
11:00'ish?

There's also a coffee shop across from the Flux meeting site. I have not been there,
but been wanting to try it out.
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